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OSU Men's Basketball Recruiting/Projections/General Discussions

For those more in the know than I... We currently have three commits for 2015 with three big prospects left on the board. My questions are:

1) How many more scholarships do we have available for 2015?
2) What is the vibe on those three prospects? (Bragg, Giddens, and Ahmed)

Thanks in advance.

They right now have a vacant scholarship, which they will carry over to be able to use on 2015 if they add no more transfers, plus they have five seniors this upcoming season. So they have six spots to use on the 2015 class if they want. But the trick is they might not get any additional ships to use on 2016, which is a strong class in Ohio. So they could add 2 more to have a class of 5 but they would have to be oversigning to add more than one player from the loaded 2016 class.
 
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Altogether since Grandstaff is on board, OSU is looking good for the 2015 class as really they only need to add a big man to round it out. They might add 2 more since Ahmad is looking like a pretty good prospect and OSU is probably his best offer. Bragg seems to be favoring KY, he even posted a picture of himself wearing a KY sweatshirt prior to a game they played in the Final Four this year, but then deleted it for whatever reason. Giddens is a leading candidate to round out the OSU class.
 
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My guess is that OSU is going to finish the 2015 class by adding Giddens, and the fifth guy will be Ahmad if he chooses OSU. But if both Bragg and Ahmad opt for elsewhere then they can bank that spot for the 2016 class, where they might use it on Derek Funderburk (I think VJ King will have an offer regardless as their top target in 2016) although Xavier Simpson is showing signs of being a very good PG prospect in that 2016 class and OSU could probably use some help at that spot as well.
 
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My guess is that OSU is going to finish the 2015 class by adding Giddens, and the fifth guy will be Ahmad if he chooses OSU. But if both Bragg and Ahmad opt for elsewhere then they can bank that spot for the 2016 class, where they might use it on Derek Funderburk (I think VJ King will have an offer regardless as their top target in 2016) although Xavier Simpson is showing signs of being a very good PG prospect in that 2016 class and OSU could probably use some help at that spot as well.

So best case scenario in your opinion is to finish this class with Giddens, bank a scholarship, and guarantee spots for King & Funderburk in 2016 regardless of attrition? Cuz I can dig that...
 
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So best case scenario in your opinion is to finish this class with Giddens, bank a scholarship, and guarantee spots for King & Funderburk in 2016 regardless of attrition? Cuz I can dig that...

Yeah, if they can land both King & Funderburk that is what I would prefer. A 4-man class of Harris, Grandstaff, Mitchell and Giddens would meet all of their needs and leave room for those two highly regarded '16 prospects.
 
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They right now have a vacant scholarship, which they will carry over to be able to use on 2015 if they add no more transfers, plus they have five seniors this upcoming season. So they have six spots to use on the 2015 class if they want. But the trick is they might not get any additional ships to use on 2016, which is a strong class in Ohio. So they could add 2 more to have a class of 5 but they would have to be oversigning to add more than one player from the loaded 2016 class.
All good points, of course, but history suggests we're likely to have additional attrition (whether to the pros or other collegiate teams) over the next couple of years that will add scholarship space.
 
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Yeah, Russell, Grandstaff and Mitchell have all shown a knack for being able to find an open teammate.

Will we see 2010 deja vu with a big point guard as the hub of the wheel, surrounded by tall, long shooters & with a defensive-minded center? Russell-Grandstaff-KBD-Tate-Giddens could be a lot alike the lineup that they ran with in 2010 (ET/Diebler/Buford/Lighty/DLaud). But of course that isn't really the most likely lineup in the future since Loving and Mitchell are going to be better suited for the 4 than Tate, and overall the talent outside of those five would be a lot better (compare Simmons/Kam Williams, Hill/AJ Harris, Madsen & Big Z/TT & Bell, Kecman/Loving & Mitchell).
 
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looking at the probable '15-'16 team and even the possible '16-'17 team, i can't even begin to list all of the lineup permutations. i think 3 players will have set positions: harris, thompson, and bell. after that, you could just throw any combination of players out there and i bet it looks like it makes sense.

i think i'd like to watch their practices almost as much as their games.
 
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Mitchell, Harris, Grandstaff...and in my humble opinion, Giddens. I will be blunt is saying that while that lineup could kill, not sure how it meshes with what we got. But then again, we have Thad Matta and he knows how to make talent like that work. I will sit back and try to shut up. Do your thing Thad.
 
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Thad is doing work right now. Many, many people across Buckeye Nation were up in arms over the performance of this past year's team, and some of the supposed "under-development" of guys in the program. I'd say Thad has answered the bell (as much as he can without being able to show if off yet on the court).

Adding Lee and Thompson as transfers was huge - even though Thompson cannot help this coming year, he is a piece that will be extremely useful off the bench going forward. Think about an experienced upperclassman TT coming off the bench (hopefully in place of Giddens or Moore) in an NCAA tournament game. That big depth is something OSU has not had much of in recent years. Lee fills a huge hole in production for next year's team. He, along with the returnees and newcomers, make up a talented group.

The future is bright in Columbus, with a talented 2016 class in the state of Ohio also to be added. Thad is bringing in dynamic scorers, athletic defenders, playmakers, etc. These next three classes (2014/2015/2016) overall could be one of the most well-rounded OSU rosters we've ever seen.
 
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Thad is doing work right now. Many, many people across Buckeye Nation were up in arms over the performance of this past year's team, and some of the supposed "under-development" of guys in the program. I'd say Thad has answered the bell (as much as he can without being able to show if off yet on the court).

These next three classes (2014/2015/2016) overall could be one of the most well-rounded OSU rosters we've ever seen.

It really grinds my gears when OSU "fans" start arguing how Matta doesn't "develop" players. I'm not saying you're to blame, but you brought it up. I even saw a post on the Scout board within the past few days where a rival fan said David West didn't play for Matta at Xavier, thus he had nothing to do with coaching him, and nobody seemed to care that he was completely wrong, as nobody responded to that BS from what I could see.

Matta I think does a terrific job with the talent that he gets. Sometimes guys like Byron Mullens come in one year and don't really unpack their bags, even get caught on camera ignoring the coach and just walking right past him when he's clearly trying to talk to him during a game - you can't fault the coach much for guys like that. But truth be told the players that Matta has gotten lately are not especially talented. He has not had very athletic big men lately, either at the 4 or the 5. And yet fans expect him to turn guys who are unheralded into pros, and discount any top recruit he gets that goes to the NBA as just good recruiting.

And I doubt that any of the guys that he is getting or could possibly get in this 2015 class are guys that have a high chance of making the NBA, or that it is even logical to expect any of them to be on an NBA trajectory. Yet if they don't make the pros then somehow he hasn't done his job? Most OSU players don't make the NBA, it's been that way on every OSU team in every year but now expectations there are increased somehow. Turning guys into very good college players when they didn't start that way, that IS development although a lot of fans seem to ignore that. Deshaun Thomas got a ton better from his Freshman to Junior year. LaQuinton Ross likewise. Lenzelle Smith, there were generally low expectations of him coming out of high school, he was buried at the end of the bench his frosh season, but he ends up being a 1,000 point scorer. Evan Turner improved by leaps and bounds. Guys like Jon Diebler, David Lighty, and Jamar Butler clearly improved from Year 1 to Year 4 (or 5). Even Kyle Madsen and Matt Terwilliger got noticeably better.

I think there are a lot of posters out there that don't pay that much attention and want to look smart, and so they say one or more of these three things 1) the coach needs to play the bench more, 2) the coach is a good recruiter but not a talent developer, or 3) the coach doesn't make in-game adjustments. Honestly it's probably a waste of time to even bother trying to argue with these people because they are going to keep making the same dumb arguments every year and no amount of success on the court could possibly prove them wrong.
 
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Thad Matta is in my view one of the top five coaches in the nation. He hasn't recruited at the level I'd prefer over the past couple of seasons, but I believe 2014-2016 will prove to turn that problem around. He certainly got all he could out of the 2013-14 edition of Buckeye hoop, and anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know a lot about basketball IMO.
 
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Thad Matta is in my view one of the top five coaches in the nation. He hasn't recruited at the level I'd prefer over the past couple of seasons, but I believe 2014-2016 will prove to turn that problem around. He certainly got all he could out of the 2013-14 edition of Buckeye hoop, and anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know a lot about basketball IMO.

Yeah, the lack of additions on the recruiting front in 2012 and to an extent in 2013 was a problem for last season's squad. They needed more immediate help to offset the guys they were losing, but now the talent trend is starting to head the other way in with the 2014 crew, and 2015 also has the makings of a highly rated class and I think will complement the 2014 recruiting class really well. The talent on the 2014 team was not particularly high, I think finally we are entering a season where the gains from recruiting have at least offset the losses, and that hadn't been the case the past couple of years.
 
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russell
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mitchell


if we can keep turnovers down, we're going to have an awesome passing team.
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