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NFBuck;2280184; said:
About 25 years ago, the Run-and-Shoot was all the rage in college. People said it wouldn't work in the pros. A couple of teams (Detroit, Houston w/Warren Moon, Atlanta under Glanville) ran it with some success for a few years before it died off.

Denver got to the playoffs, and won a playoff game, running the read-option last year.

His system probably could work if he can get the right players. The question would be, is it sustainable?
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They've been saying the read option wouldn't work in the NFL. And yet the Redskins is based off of it. Yes you need the right personnel, but it obviously works at least somewhat well in the NFL.
 
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Coqui;2280276; said:
They've been saying the read option wouldn't work in the NFL. And yet the Redskins is based off of it. Yes you need the right personnel, but it obviously works at least somewhat well in the NFL.
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One thing that has remained consistent in the NFL is that new/innovative/trendy/gimmicky (whatever term you want to learn) offenses may be successful for a short period of time but it doesn't take long for the league DCs to figure them out and you're back where you started the team with the better players & execution wins most of the time.

Ironically enough, from a pure scheme standpoint Jim Tressel would be a perfect NFL coach.
 
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Muck;2280277; said:
One thing that has remained consistent in the NFL is that new/innovative/trendy/gimmicky (whatever term you want to learn) offenses may be successful for a short period of time but it doesn't take long for the league DCs to figure them out and you're back where you started the team with the better players & execution wins most of the time.

Ironically enough, from a pure scheme standpoint Jim Tressel would be a perfect NFL coach.
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The gimmick fails when you depend only on it. Notice they have a nice passing attack built off of it which keeps defenses honest.
 
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What did the NFL DC do to stop the wildcat? Doesn't that basically have the advantages that the spread, read-option offense has? Numerical advantage because the QB is a running threat, misdirection, etc. The only difference would be the play-action game would be better with a full time spread QB because Ronnie Brown couldn't throw, but defenses have seen play-action before. It will be interesting to see in the NFL though.
 
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Coqui;2280276; said:
They've been saying the read option wouldn't work in the NFL. And yet the Redskins is based off of it. Yes you need the right personnel, but it obviously works at least somewhat well in the NFL.
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The scheme isn't the problem. The personnel is. Now you have to support two starter caliber qbs and a suitable third stringer to use in a pinch. Meanwhile your opponents are spending those precious dollars and draft picks on other weapons since they only need 1 qb.
 
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Muck;2280277; said:
One thing that has remained consistent in the NFL is that new/innovative/trendy/gimmicky (whatever term you want to learn) offenses may be successful for a short period of time but it doesn't take long for the league DCs to figure them out and you're back where you started the team with the better players & execution wins most of the time.

Ironically enough, from a pure scheme standpoint Jim Tressel would be a perfect NFL coach.
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Given rule changes, it'd seem that there is enough room for more varied offenses. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm seeing a LOT more shotgun formations than I was 3-4 years ago... Especially from very good teams like the Patriots and Green Bay.

I'm not saying Chip's kind of blur offense would work (because the pros are conditioned to stay in a series far better than a college player), but I think he could develop a few wrinkles that would be interesting.
 
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Kelly's offense isn't just about the shotgun or read option. His success has come from running out of the spread and going up-tempo with mobile QBs and skill players that are faster than your's. Whenever he's run into teams that can get to the edge as quickly as his guys can, his offenses have gotten shut down. He won't have the kind of personnel advantages/flexibility that he does in college.
 
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jwinslow;2280312; said:
The scheme isn't the problem. The personnel is. Now you have to support two starter caliber qbs and a suitable third stringer to use in a pinch. Meanwhile your opponents are spending those precious dollars and draft picks on other weapons since they only need 1 qb.
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Did you just call Grossman suitable? :P
 
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Coqui;2280276; said:
They've been saying the read option wouldn't work in the NFL. And yet the Redskins is based off of it. Yes you need the right personnel, but it obviously works at least somewhat well in the NFL.
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any scheme can work temporarily or in spurts.

the entire premise of the spread is to create mismatches against the defense.
spread the width of the field, and make teams cover more ground, and find the weak spot.

that's a whole lot easier in college when the vast majority of kids on the other team will never even sniff the practice squad of an NFL team.

the talent gap/depth from the absolute best NFL team to the absolute worst is not nearly as big as the talent gap/depth between the best team in a given BCS conference and middle of the pack in the same conference.
Let alone the bottom feeders in that conference, or even top level teams from non-AQ conferences.


look at Oregon's schedule since 2010.
they've played 8 games against teams that have at least similar talent (or better in some cases).
they are 4-4 in those games.

in the entire rest of their schedule, they've had a noticeable talent gap than their competition.
they are 31-0 in those games.
 
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Agree with Nutriatch. Success with "gimmicks" in college is more about speed than schematics. A West Va under RichRod or Oregon under Kelly can load up on speed and force the opposition to cover it all. One weakness can be exploited over and over. A hurry up is just another dimension of that same concept. An elite college D with speed across the field can shut it down.

In the NFL there are no teams who lack speed.
 
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Kelly has done something remarkable in a place not known for great football.
His schemes with speed have changed the game of college football.
Now, about that recruiting.................:tongue2:

"ALL HE DOES IS DESTROY THING AND WIN FOOTBALL GAMES AND NOT TALK TO GLADHANDING BOOSTERS LIKE THEY MATTER."
And he" doesn't wash his hands"! Ever!:slappy:

This is what makes the college game superior to the NFL.
 
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