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OL Orlando Pace (7-time Pro Bowler, Super Bowl Champion, CFB HOF, NFL HOF)

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I'll just never understand ol' Coop, I guess. I met him once, very nice man. Problem is, every time it seems like people are finally moving past his record in the last 2 games of every year and the MSU loss and focusing on the good things he did, he feels the need to interject himself during Michigan week or bowl week...presumably to defend himself somehow. Unfortunately, all he's doing is pulling the scab off, and he borders on looking whiny and petulant when he seemingly tries to minimize what Tressel has done by saying he had it so much harder, though I'm sure that's not what he's actually trying to do. If he just let it the fuck go, he might generate the level of respect at least that Earle Bruce has garnered from many fans (but not all, of course) over the years, but he just can't seem to do that.
 
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The only power index of which I am aware that you can get conference power ratings since 1995 is Darryl Marsee's. The Big Ten was the best conference in 1995 and 1995 but also more recently in 2005.

The worst year for the conference was 1997. In general, the point Dryden makes, that the Big Ten teams were tougher during the Cooper era, is supported by Marsee's data. I list this below for convenience.

However, the case against John Cooper is what he did with the talent that he had, especially in The Game.

In this period, John Cooper lost to TSUN two times when his team had a higher power rating, even taking into account that his team's final power rating (which is shown here) was reduced by the loss to TSUN.

Tressel has never lost to TSUN when his team had a higher power rating. He has won twice when his team had a lower power rating, even taking into account that his team's power rating was increased by beating TSUN that year.


John Cooper
Year OSU TSUN The Game
 1993 17 12 Michigan 28 Ohio State 0 Ann Arbor
1994 08 09 Michigan 6 Ohio State 22 Columbus
1995 04 12 Michigan 31 Ohio State 23 Ann Arbor
1996 02 19 Michigan 13 Ohio State 9 Columbus
1997 10 03 Michigan 20 Ohio State 14 Ann Arbor
1998 02 13 Michigan 16 Ohio State 31 Columbus
1999 43 08 Michigan 24 Ohio State 17 Ann Arbor
2000 31 15 Michigan 38 Ohio State 26 Columbus

Jim Tressel
Year OSU TSUN The Game
 2001 36 25 Michigan 20 Ohio State 26 Ann Arbor
2002 04 15 Michigan 9 Ohio State 14 Columbus
2003 13 05 Michigan 35 Ohio State 21 Ann Arbor
2004 22 18 Michigan 21 Ohio State 37 Columbus
2005 03 21 Michigan 21 Ohio State 25 Ann Arbor
2006 07 15 Michigan 39 Ohio State 42 Columbus
2007 07 51 Michigan 3 Ohio State 14 Ann Arbor
2008 10 93 Michigan 7 Ohio State 42 Columbus
 2009 13 87 (incomplete year)



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| MARSEE FINAL DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE RANKINGS FOR THE 95 SEASON |
| (Power ratings in parentheses) |
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| 1. Big 10 (676) |
| 2. Southeastern East (610) |
| 3. Big 8 (604) |
| 4. Southeastern (583) |
| 5. Big East (559) |
| 6. Southeastern West (555) |
| 7. Atlantic Coast (542) |
| 8. Pac 10 (538) |
| 9. Southwestern (501) |
| 10. Independants (467) |
| 11. Western Athletic (423) |
| 12. Mid American (350) |
| 13. Big West (267) |
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| MARSEE FINAL DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE RANKINGS FOR THE 96 SEASON |
| (Power ratings in parentheses) |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| 1. Big 10 (608) |
| 2. Big 12 North (606) |
| 3. Pac 10 (589) |
| 4. Southeastern East (582) |
| 5. Big 12 Entire (564) |
| 6. Southeastern Entire (562) |
| 7. Southeastern West (543) |
| 8. Big 12 South (523) |
| 9. Big East (505) |
| 10. Atlantic Coast (499) |
| 11. Conference USA (488) |
| 12. Western Athletic Mountain (482) |
| 13. Western Athletic Entire (454) |
| 14. Independants (435) |
| 15. Western Athletic Pacific (425) |
| 16. Mid American (379) |
| 17. Big West (351) |
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| MARSEE FINAL DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE RANKINGS FOR THE 97 SEASON |
| (Power ratings in parentheses) |
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| 1. Southeastern East (642) |
| 2. Southeastern Entire (629) |
| 3. Southeastern West (616) |
| 4. Pac 10 (615) |
| 5. Big 12 North (583) |
| 6. Atlantic Coast (574) |
| 7. Big 10 (554) |
| 8. Big 12 Entire (531) |
| 9. Western Athletic Pacific (481) |
| 10. Big 12 South (479) |
| 11. Western Athletic Entire (463) |
| 12. Conference USA (461) |
| 13. Mid American East (458) |
| 14. Western Athletic Mountain (445) |
| 15. Mid American Entire (423) |
| 16. Big East (420) |
| 17. Mid American West (387) |
| 18. Big West (365) |
| 19. Independents (359) |
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| MARSEE FINAL DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE RANKINGS FOR THE 98 SEASON |
| (Power ratings in parentheses) |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| 1. Big 12 North (607) |
| 2. Big 10 (589) |
| 3. Big 12 Entire (586) |
| 4. Big 12 South (566) |
| 5. Southeastern East (561) |
| 6. Southeastern Entire (553) |
| 7. Pac 10 (547) |
| 8. Southeastern West (544) |
| 9. Atlantic Coast (531) |
| 10. Big East (524) |
| 11. Western Athletic Mountain (513) |
| 12. Conference USA (464) |
| 13. Western Athletic Entire (456) |
| 14. Mid American East (442) |
| 15. Mid American Entire (404) |
| 16. Western Athletic Pacific (400) |
| 17. Independents (390) |
| 18. Big West (388) |
| 19. Mid American West (365) |
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| MARSEE FINAL DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE RANKINGS FOR THE 99 SEASON |
| (Power ratings in parentheses) |
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| 1. Big 10 (595) |
| 2. Southeastern (560) |
| 3. Atlantic Coast (547) |
| 4. Big 12 (538) |
| 5. Conference USA (524) |
| 6. Pac 10 (519) |
| 7. Big East (516) |
| 8. Mountain West (509) |
| 9. Western Athletic (430) |
| 10. Mid American (408) |
| 11. Independents (398) |
| 12. Big West (388) |
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| MARSEE FINAL DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE RANKINGS FOR THE 00 SEASON |
| (Power ratings in parentheses) |
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| 1. Big East (586) |
| 2. Pac 10 (577) |
| 3. Big 12 (561) |
| 4. Southeastern (551) |
| 5. Big 10 (529) |
| 6. Atlantic Coast (515) |
| 7. Conference USA (487) |
| 8. Mountain West (483) |
| 9. Western Athletic (447) |
| 10. Mid American (431) |
| 11. Big West (418) |
| 12. Independents (360) |
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| MARSEE FINAL DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE RANKINGS FOR THE 01 SEASON |
| (Power ratings in parentheses) |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| 1. Southeastern (575) |
| 2. Big East (571) |
| 3. Pac 10 (562) |
| 4. Big 12 (557) |
| 5. Big 10 (552) |
| 6. Atlantic Coast (537) |
| 7. Mountain West (473) |
| 8. Mid American (464) |
| 9. Conference USA (463) |
| 10. Independents (422) |
| 11. Western Athletic (413) |
| 12. Sun Belt (327) |
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| MARSEE FINAL DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE RANKINGS FOR THE 02 SEASON |
| (Power ratings in parentheses) |
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| 1. Pac 10 (632) |
| 2. Big 12 (607) |
| 3. Atlantic Coast (591) |
| 4. Southeastern (586) |
| 5. Big 10 (586) |
| 6. Big East (583) |
| 7. Mountain West (434) |
| 8. Independents (432) |
| 9. Conference USA (422) |
| 10. Mid American (385) |
| 11. Western Athletic (347) |
| 12. Sun Belt (325) |
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| MARSEE FINAL DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE RANKINGS FOR THE 03 SEASON |
| (Power ratings in parentheses) |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| 1. Atlantic Coast (604) |
| 2. Southeastern (594) |
| 3. Big 10 (566) |
| 4. Big East (562) |
| 5. Big 12 (560) |
| 6. Pac 10 (556) |
| 7. Mountain West (515) |
| 8. Independents (506) |
| 9. Conference USA (421) |
| 10. Mid American (415) |
| 11. Western Athletic (390) |
| 12. Sun Belt (307) |
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| MARSEE FINAL DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE RANKINGS FOR THE 04 SEASON |
| (Power ratings in parentheses) |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| 1. Pac 10 (615) |
| 2. Atlantic Coast (608) |
| 3. Independents (602) |
| 4. Big 12 (598) |
| 5. Big 10 (562) |
| 6. Southeastern (553) |
| 7. Mountain West (509) |
| 8. Big East (507) |
| 9. Western Athletic (459) |
| 10. Conference USA (430) |
| 11. Mid American (342) |
| 12. Sun Belt (304) |
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+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| MARSEE FINAL DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE RANKINGS FOR THE 04 SEASON |
| (Power ratings in parentheses) |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| 1. Pac 10 (615) |
| 2. Atlantic Coast (608) |
| 3. Independents (602) |
| 4. Big 12 (598) |
| 5. Big 10 (562) |
| 6. Southeastern (553) |
| 7. Mountain West (509) |
| 8. Big East (507) |
| 9. Western Athletic (459) |
| 10. Conference USA (430) |
| 11. Mid American (342) |
| 12. Sun Belt (304) |
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+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| MARSEE FINAL DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE RANKINGS FOR THE 05 SEASON |
| (Power ratings in parentheses) |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| 1. Big 10 (620) |
| 2. Pac 10 (603) |
| 3. Big 12 (598) |
| 4. Atlantic Coast (574) |
| 5. Independents (570) |
| 6. Southeastern (542) |
| 7. Big East (527) |
| 8. Mountain West (482) |
| 9. Conference USA (433) |
| 10. Mid American (391) |
| 11. Western Athletic (379) |
| 12. Sun Belt (267) |
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+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| MARSEE FINAL DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE RANKINGS FOR THE 06 SEASON |
| (Power ratings in parentheses) |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| 1. Big East (629) |
| 2. Southeastern (620) |
| 3. Pac 10 (578) |
| 4. Big 10 (539) |
| 5. Atlantic Coast (533) |
| 6. Big 12 (532) |
| 7. Mountain West (504) |
| 8. Western Athletic (443) |
| 9. Conference USA (415) |
| 10. Independents (407) |
| 11. Mid American (389) |
| 12. Sun Belt (342) |
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| MARSEE FINAL DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE RANKINGS FOR THE 07 SEASON |
| (Power ratings in parentheses) |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| 1. Southeastern (638) |
| 2. Big East (609) |
| 3. Pac 10 (604) |
| 4. Big 12 (600) |
| 5. Atlantic Coast (556) |
| 6. Big 10 (552) |
| 7. Mountain West (495) |
| 8. Western Athletic (394) |
| 9. Conference USA (381) |
| 10. Sun Belt (359) |
| 11. Mid American (357) |
| 12. Independents (349) |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| MARSEE FINAL DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE RANKINGS FOR THE 08 SEASON |
| (Power ratings in parentheses) |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| 1. Big 12 (604) |
| 2. Southeastern (588) |
| 3. Atlantic Coast (569) |
| 4. Big East (552) |
| 5. Big 10 (545) |
| 6. Pac 10 (541) |
| 7. Mountain West (486) |
| 8. Mid American (427) |
| 9. Conference USA (427) |
| 10. Western Athletic (396) |
| 11. Independents (376) |
| 12. Sun Belt (364) |
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Bucklion;1597901; said:
I'll just never understand ol' Coop, I guess. I met him once, very nice man. Problem is, every time it seems like people are finally moving past his record in the last 2 games of every year and the MSU loss and focusing on the good things he did, he feels the need to interject himself during Michigan week or bowl week...presumably to defend himself somehow. Unfortunately, all he's doing is pulling the scab off, and he borders on looking whiny and petulant when he seemingly tries to minimize what Tressel has done by saying he had it so much harder, though I'm sure that's not what he's actually trying to do. If he just let it the fuck go, he might generate the level of respect at least that Earle Bruce has garnered from many fans (but not all, of course) over the years, but he just can't seem to do that.
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I don't think he is actively looking to interject himself, but I think the media seeks him out and asks him about it.
 
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Woody1968;1597983; said:
I don't think he is actively looking to interject himself, but I think the media seeks him out and asks him about it.
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Exactly. I know how burned/hurt I was each year when we struggled during our final 2 games, and Coop may not be "the final word" on all things Ohio State/Michigan, but people seek him out because he's still active with Ohio State. While I was ready for Cooper's tenure to end, I'm thankful for the good things he did for Ohio State and am glad he's still around. I wish folks could get behind him.
 
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matcar;1598056; said:
I'm thankful for the good things he did for Ohio State and am glad he's still around. I wish folks could get behind him.
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Same here. I started following tOSU football a little later than most people here probably, but before the 2002 NC bandwagon fans. He may not have won when it counted, but he brought some of my all time favorites to Columbus; Eddie, Pace, Katzenmoyer, etc.
 
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matcar;1598056; said:
Exactly. I know how burned/hurt I was each year when we struggled during our final 2 games, and Coop may not be "the final word" on all things Ohio State/Michigan, but people seek him out because he's still active with Ohio State. While I was ready for Cooper's tenure to end, I'm thankful for the good things he did for Ohio State and am glad he's still around. I wish folks could get behind him.
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As an outsider, I hear often from LJB and others about the Buckeyes record, the excellence as reflected in wins and losses, and the number of bowls in which the Bucks participated.

It strikes me that part of the glory that is tOSU past is an incredibly fine record of wins and losses, albeit a lack of success in The Game. And while that is justifiably a reason to go another direction after so many losses, it in no way negates from the fine record Cooper achieved in a period when the Big 10 was a far better conference overall.

Put simply, if you have (justifiably) a feeling of pride for the accomplishments of tOSU and its fine win-loss record, you have to give the man credit for his role in achieving that success.

As an outsider, I have always been mystified at the low opinion in which he is held by your fanbase, even considering his record versus the weasels.
 
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It's really hard to talk about Cooper without bashing him, so I won't. I just don't think he ever got it and I am very pleased that Jim Tressel treats him with more respect than most Ohio State fans would.
 
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Gatorubet;1598070; said:
As an outsider, I have always been mystified at the low opinion in which he is held by your fanbase, even considering his record versus the weasels.
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The first three words are why its mystifying to you. Not trying to be a dick, I don't expect outsiders to get it.

It just means that much to us.
 
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I may get some grief for saying this, but I actually sent Coach Cooper a letter of support late in his tenure.

Dispite his terrible record vs. M*chigan, I just couldn't bring myself to completely trash him for consistent 9 and 10 win seasons.
 
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Bucklion;1597901; said:
I'll just never understand ol' Coop, I guess. I met him once, very nice man. Problem is, every time it seems like people are finally moving past his record in the last 2 games of every year and the MSU loss and focusing on the good things he did, he feels the need to interject himself during Michigan week or bowl week...presumably to defend himself somehow. Unfortunately, all he's doing is pulling the scab off, and he borders on looking whiny and petulant when he seemingly tries to minimize what Tressel has done by saying he had it so much harder, though I'm sure that's not what he's actually trying to do. If he just let it the fuck go, he might generate the level of respect at least that Earle Bruce has garnered from many fans (but not all, of course) over the years, but he just can't seem to do that.
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You pick at the scab to remind everyone how good it is to beat the shit out of these fuckers, no matter how bad they are this year. They made the scab, and now they are paying...

Fuck *ichigan!!!!
 
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