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My takeaway from it is that some of the payment processes that were allegedly going on don't even pass the smell test.
So I'm supposed to believe GA's or some other low level AD employees were walking around the locker room handing out envelopes of cash in plain view as far back as 2001 and this has somehow remained a secret for ten years?
So I'm supposed to believe GA's or some other low level AD employees were walking around the locker room handing out envelopes of cash in plain view as far back as 2001 and this has somehow remained a secret for ten years?
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T Boone Pickens statement:
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/65...d-statement-sept-10-2013-pdf-324k?da=y&dnad=y
Ugh. That's not good. Reads like he's saying, "Well, we did do that ten years ago but we're not doing it anymore."
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/65...d-statement-sept-10-2013-pdf-324k?da=y&dnad=y
Ugh. That's not good. Reads like he's saying, "Well, we did do that ten years ago but we're not doing it anymore."
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Buckeye86
I do not choose to discuss it
That's the worst part about these stories: the smug sense of self satisfaction that oozes from the pages over "bringing these programs down" or whatever the hell they think they are doing. They spent a paragraph or two of the Tressel story basically taking credit for getting him fired.
How many of these hit pieces have amounted to bupkis? I did a search of Dohrmann earlier and there have been a series of these "stories of the century" and none of them have amounted to shit.
I asked earlier why the SEC has avoided scrutiny, but its seems clear now.
Dohrmann's entire game is getting disgruntled/stupid former players to say potentially incriminating things and then speculate like crazy about it using other shady and suspect people willing to talk with him.
The players are trained not to talk with anyone in the media about anything like that down in the SEC, I'm sure. In fact, not talking to the media during and after their time at school is probably incorporated some way into their benefit packages.
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HorseshoeFetish
Silver Bullet Supporter
I'm just trying to figure out how any story involving Oklahoma State could be deemed a "Story of the Century".
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This is the truth of sports journalism today. They are more interested in making the story than reporting the story. There is no way Thayer Evans was going to dig his teeth into this thing and not come out with something. Anything. Because to not have this story blown up would be tantamount to wasting his time and SI's money.
The simple truth is that today's story can be more appropriately parsed down to "Former players allege pay-for-play program at Oklahoma State in the 2000s". But that doesn't sell. It's not nearly salacious enough. And that's why they're pumping this story (about Oklahoma "freaking" State) up to be something it is not.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
The notion that fraud may have been necessary to keep this young scholar eligible is ludicrous!
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Absolutely. Everybody knows that I was responsible for getting him fired.
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OSUK
Sometimes lucid, mostly confused
As soon as I heard that piece of shit - George Doerhman (or however it's spelled) - was involved with this, I immediately knew to be skeptical.
Supposedly, the allegations are based on taped interviews with over 60 former players and some coaches and boosters. OK. That generally would indicate some reliable reporting, but I don't trust George.
This is the guy who wrote the hit piece on Ohio State for SI. We already knew about the Tat 5 thing at that time, but his article was supposed to contain mind-blowing new substantiated allegations. What it ended up being was a cherry picking of Jim Tressel's past, taking his worst moments or outcomes with players, implying a connection to nefarious characters, but never making the connection. The new allegations were based solely on "Ellis" who turned out to be a complete liar. And when the whole thing was thorougly investigated, we had basically what we already knew - the Tat 5 plus a few guys got over-paid for some summer jobs.
Basically his whole article on Ohio St turned out to be some revisionist history with some disproven allegations based on poor sources. How that guy still has a job with SI is a mystery to me. Until someone who has more credibility than George comes out and explains the OK St situation, I will believe the Cowboys are pure as the driven snow.
Supposedly, the allegations are based on taped interviews with over 60 former players and some coaches and boosters. OK. That generally would indicate some reliable reporting, but I don't trust George.
This is the guy who wrote the hit piece on Ohio State for SI. We already knew about the Tat 5 thing at that time, but his article was supposed to contain mind-blowing new substantiated allegations. What it ended up being was a cherry picking of Jim Tressel's past, taking his worst moments or outcomes with players, implying a connection to nefarious characters, but never making the connection. The new allegations were based solely on "Ellis" who turned out to be a complete liar. And when the whole thing was thorougly investigated, we had basically what we already knew - the Tat 5 plus a few guys got over-paid for some summer jobs.
Basically his whole article on Ohio St turned out to be some revisionist history with some disproven allegations based on poor sources. How that guy still has a job with SI is a mystery to me. Until someone who has more credibility than George comes out and explains the OK St situation, I will believe the Cowboys are pure as the driven snow.
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Part II: Academics, is up.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/co...ate-part-2-academics/?sct=hp_t11_a2&eref=sihp
Nothing earth shattering here. Football coaches want to win, tutors write papers, players are funneled into easy majors that won't involve any math components or much critical problem solving, and over the past few years players are further steered into online courses.
Having read some of the fine social network ramblings of Rod Johnson and Tatum Bell, I have no doubt there are some illiterate former players from Okla St that have degrees, but this goes on everywhere, including Ohio State, and has for decades.
Maybe the most damning part is the note at the end that Okla St's APR has dropped since the introduction of the metric and is now third-worst among all major conference FBS schools. But we didn't need a five-part hit piece to figure out the Cowboys got better when they lowered their standard and took high-risk talents like Dez Bryant.
Still, SI is relying on the testimony of about 10 players (out of perhaps 350+ that have suited up for Okla St over the past 15 years), and these are all guys that struggled with school and were noted to have either committed crimes, violated team rules, or failed to maintain eligibility and were subsequently booted off the team. They also seem to be low-IQ guys that could have easily been coerced or lead into damning statements unknowingly.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/co...ate-part-2-academics/?sct=hp_t11_a2&eref=sihp
Nothing earth shattering here. Football coaches want to win, tutors write papers, players are funneled into easy majors that won't involve any math components or much critical problem solving, and over the past few years players are further steered into online courses.
Having read some of the fine social network ramblings of Rod Johnson and Tatum Bell, I have no doubt there are some illiterate former players from Okla St that have degrees, but this goes on everywhere, including Ohio State, and has for decades.
Maybe the most damning part is the note at the end that Okla St's APR has dropped since the introduction of the metric and is now third-worst among all major conference FBS schools. But we didn't need a five-part hit piece to figure out the Cowboys got better when they lowered their standard and took high-risk talents like Dez Bryant.
Still, SI is relying on the testimony of about 10 players (out of perhaps 350+ that have suited up for Okla St over the past 15 years), and these are all guys that struggled with school and were noted to have either committed crimes, violated team rules, or failed to maintain eligibility and were subsequently booted off the team. They also seem to be low-IQ guys that could have easily been coerced or lead into damning statements unknowingly.
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What is wrong with all of you?
It is just another disappointment at OSU!
Admit it! That Les Miles is such a nice young man, amd so well raised. This all began at Ohio State and the fault lies entirely with Jim Tressel. He also did not bring peace to the Middle East. Just own it!
Why would someone who studued journalism resort to lies? What's next? You gonna try to tell me that ESPN has a hidden agenda?
It is just another disappointment at OSU!
Admit it! That Les Miles is such a nice young man, amd so well raised. This all began at Ohio State and the fault lies entirely with Jim Tressel. He also did not bring peace to the Middle East. Just own it!
Why would someone who studued journalism resort to lies? What's next? You gonna try to tell me that ESPN has a hidden agenda?
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Former Okie St quarterback Aso Pogi (who is cited as a source in the $$ article) responds: http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx/22190
Some snippets:
How did your interview session with SI come about?
Pogi: He just showed up unnannounced at my church. I’m a youth pastor. I have been a youth pastor for about seven years over at First United Methodist Church in Lawton. He just showed up after a bible study. He approached me and just said ‘hey, I’m doing a story with Sports Illustrated. I’m so-and-so Thayer Evans and I know you from back in the day.... and I’m doing this deal. I’m with Sports Illustrated and I’m doing this deal with OSU.’
Were you recorded and, if you were recorded, did you know about it?
Pogi: No. He never said anything. He just started conversing. All of this was just small talk. We were just conversing and he just brought up certain things and then he just kind of got into it, like did you know this? I’m just sitting there like, whoa, that’s pretty crazy. He never stated that he was recording the conversation or anything like that.
He didn’t put a recorder on the table or you didn’t see a recorder?
Pogi: Nope. He sure didn’t.
He just took notes on a notepad?
Pogi: He didn’t even take notes. We were just conversing. It was just a conversation in my office. He didn’t take notes. He didn’t pull out a (recorder). He didn’t define anything.
Do you think a reason they approached you was because they thought you were mad that you had lost the starting quarterback job while at OSU?
Pogi: I think that’s exactly right. He was trying to get me to go that route. But I wasn’t pissed off at Oklahoma State. He said ‘Oh, Pogi, they did you wrong.’ And I was like, ‘well, I enjoyed my time at Oklahoma State.’ And he kept trying to say ‘but they did you so wrong. I said ‘well, I may have had (my disagreements) with coach, but I enjoyed my time.’ It was nothing against the program. But that’s the route he was trying to take. You know what I mean? They did you wrong and here’s your opportunity to do something about it. But it didn’t go over with me.
Some snippets:
How did your interview session with SI come about?
Pogi: He just showed up unnannounced at my church. I’m a youth pastor. I have been a youth pastor for about seven years over at First United Methodist Church in Lawton. He just showed up after a bible study. He approached me and just said ‘hey, I’m doing a story with Sports Illustrated. I’m so-and-so Thayer Evans and I know you from back in the day.... and I’m doing this deal. I’m with Sports Illustrated and I’m doing this deal with OSU.’
Were you recorded and, if you were recorded, did you know about it?
Pogi: No. He never said anything. He just started conversing. All of this was just small talk. We were just conversing and he just brought up certain things and then he just kind of got into it, like did you know this? I’m just sitting there like, whoa, that’s pretty crazy. He never stated that he was recording the conversation or anything like that.
He didn’t put a recorder on the table or you didn’t see a recorder?
Pogi: Nope. He sure didn’t.
He just took notes on a notepad?
Pogi: He didn’t even take notes. We were just conversing. It was just a conversation in my office. He didn’t take notes. He didn’t pull out a (recorder). He didn’t define anything.
Do you think a reason they approached you was because they thought you were mad that you had lost the starting quarterback job while at OSU?
Pogi: I think that’s exactly right. He was trying to get me to go that route. But I wasn’t pissed off at Oklahoma State. He said ‘Oh, Pogi, they did you wrong.’ And I was like, ‘well, I enjoyed my time at Oklahoma State.’ And he kept trying to say ‘but they did you so wrong. I said ‘well, I may have had (my disagreements) with coach, but I enjoyed my time.’ It was nothing against the program. But that’s the route he was trying to take. You know what I mean? They did you wrong and here’s your opportunity to do something about it. But it didn’t go over with me.
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