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Yeah, it's pretty difficult to find fraternities/sororities that exclude people that are not like themselves, racially, physically, socially, academically, etc. Solid post.If you can appropriately point out to me an example of what you're talking about, I'll be glad to address the issue on its individual merits.
Don't forget Obama's "African-Americans for Obama" campaign near the end of the 2012 election. If Mitt Romney tried to employ an "Anglo-Americans for Romney" he would've been crucified. Yep, no double standard here...
Yeah, it's pretty difficult to find fraternities/sororities that exclude people that are not like themselves, racially, physically, socially, academically, etc. Solid post.
Get over yourself. So my being denied membership to the black fraternity Phi Slamma Jamma would prevent me from getting a solid job just because they have connections to a select set of companies. Who says those companies won't hire me anyways, based upon, you know, my own fucking merit?Please. I'm guessing you haven't seen the business connections created by affiliations with certain fraternities. It's not some treehouse club.
Many of the things you referenced above are reactions to blacks being excluded in many walks of life in the United States for the majority of our history. You could have just as easily cited the Negro Leagues, which is existed solely because blacks had no where else to play baseball.
The other thing is that I don't see them saying on BET, for example, "they'll never be a honkey on BET..." and then talking about hanging them up from a tree. That might be one of the problems here...
Huge fucking difference between a national television network and a covert video taken of a college fraternity. The producers and sponsors of BET would know better than to even risk any blowback (which would likely be little-to-nonexistent from the mainstream media).The other thing is that I don't see them saying on BET, for example, "they'll never be a honkey on BET..." and then talking about hanging them up from a tree. That might be one of the problems here...
I'm aware of their origins and the wickedness that inspired those sanctuaries. These days is it the right or wrong approach? (or somewhere inbetween) People are hard-wired to identify (and value) themselves by groups. At what point does embracing your similarities and history sink into excluding those around you? Likewise when does the push for hyper-inclusion in society impede the ability to bond in smaller, more functional groups?You do realize how and why historically black fraternities/sororities were started, right? Or are we just pretending that this [Mark May] didn't really happen?
JFC. Are you really that dumb? You really think its not a double-standard that it's OK for a black man to openly solicit votes from blacks just because he's black, yet a white man can't openly solicit votes from whites just because he's white? No one is denying that blacks haven't always been on equal footing...no one. The fact is that for about the past 40-45 years there has been an increasingly expanding double-standard throughout this country.I love when people act like blacks and whites have always been on equal footing such that the existence of any black organization is, by its nature, a racist group. Most of them are reactions to racism people endured.
Not doubt she put up with a lot of racist shit through a great majority of her life. Still, the world of her growing up and the world of today is so much different that it's above argument. As little as 50-so years ago many blacks could not eat with whites or even use the same restrooms, prior to Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which is known as the Public Accommodations Act. Now, if a black family feels slighted at Denny's, they get a million-dollar settlement for their "pain and anguish".I went to a funeral yesterday for a grandmother figure in my life. She was born in the 1920s. Died at the age of 89. Wonderful woman. Wished there had been more like her. You should have heard her talk of the racism she endured growing up in West Virginia AND Ohio. I know it's painful to acknowledge this part of our history and or that the past isn't simply the past for many people still alive today. For some, the wounds are still fresh.
Get over yourself. So my being denied membership to the black fraternity Phi Slamma Jamma would prevent me from getting a solid job just because they have connections to a select set of companies. Who says those companies won't hire me anyways, based upon, you know, my own fucking merit?
I think they'll have to cancel the 125 pink days first. That said, maybe prostate cancer has the right amount of awareness (among others).when is men's history month huh when
Sorry for your loss and having that wisdom and experience imparted to you is a very valuable thing. Understanding the past is very important as well as acknowledging how those struggles endure. That said, circling every current discussion back to the worst part of that era is as unproductive as pretending racism is all but extinct today. Context is crucial but so is something constructive.I went to a funeral yesterday for a grandmother figure in my life. She was born in the 1920s. Died at the age of 89. Wonderful woman. Wished there had been more like her. You should have heard her talk of the racism she endured growing up in West Virginia AND Ohio. I know it's painful to acknowledge this part of our history and or that the past isn't simply the past for many people still alive today. For some, the wounds are still fresh.
Once again, does this principle only apply to race? Or is it ok if the trust fund babies ... or sexy co-eds ... or athletes exclude the normies from their group? The whole premise is built on exclusivity. They come in different flavors with different levels of hostility but the end result is often similar.Please. I'm guessing you haven't seen the business connections created by affiliations with certain fraternities. It's not some treehouse club.