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Bucky32
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A pretty good WaPo article discussing the legality (or lack thereof) of expelling the students over this incident: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ity-may-not-expel-students-for-racist-speech/
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Yeah, it's pretty difficult to find fraternities/sororities that exclude people that are not like themselves, racially, physically, socially, academically, etc. Solid post.
It's rarely a progressive, inclusive organization and that happens with all sorts of flavors.
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OH10
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I love when people act like blacks and whites have always been on equal footing such that the existence of any black organization is, by its nature, a racist group. Most of them are reactions to racism people endured.
I went to a funeral yesterday for a grandmother figure in my life. She was born in the 1920s. Died at the age of 89. Wonderful woman. Wished there had been more like her. You should have heard her talk of the racism she endured growing up in West Virginia AND Ohio. I know it's painful to acknowledge this part of our history and or that the past isn't simply the past for many people still alive today. For some, the wounds are still fresh.
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Get over yourself. So my being denied membership to the black fraternity Phi Slamma Jamma would prevent me from getting a solid job just because they have connections to a select set of companies. Who says those companies won't hire me anyways, based upon, you know, my own fucking merit?
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AJHawkfan
Wanna make $14 the hard way?
I will agree that the Negro Leagues were formed out of necessity, since there were no other options for black players in that day. The other entities mentioned all came into being well after segregation was outlawed and affirmative action put in place.
To be clear, I never attempted to equate the SAE idiots to any of the things I mentioned and to try to characterize them as such is flat out wrong.
I just read your last post - my condolences regarding the person you lost.....
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Huge fucking difference between a national television network and a covert video taken of a college fraternity. The producers and sponsors of BET would know better than to even risk any blowback (which would likely be little-to-nonexistent from the mainstream media).
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I'm aware of their origins and the wickedness that inspired those sanctuaries. These days is it the right or wrong approach? (or somewhere inbetween) People are hard-wired to identify (and value) themselves by groups. At what point does embracing your similarities and history sink into excluding those around you? Likewise when does the push for hyper-inclusion in society impede the ability to bond in smaller, more functional groups?
The only way to minimize racism is to make it not matter. That's not very likely but baby steps can be made in that direction.
Either you stamp out their discrimination, like what is found in so many fraternities/sororities (based on classes, races, intelligence, curves, etc), or find a way to diminish the power held by small minded folks like these Oklahomans.
I'm far from having the answers here.
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JFC. Are you really that dumb? You really think its not a double-standard that it's OK for a black man to openly solicit votes from blacks just because he's black, yet a white man can't openly solicit votes from whites just because he's white? No one is denying that blacks haven't always been on equal footing...no one. The fact is that for about the past 40-45 years there has been an increasingly expanding double-standard throughout this country.
Not doubt she put up with a lot of racist shit through a great majority of her life. Still, the world of her growing up and the world of today is so much different that it's above argument. As little as 50-so years ago many blacks could not eat with whites or even use the same restrooms, prior to Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which is known as the Public Accommodations Act. Now, if a black family feels slighted at Denny's, they get a million-dollar settlement for their "pain and anguish".
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I think they'll have to cancel the 125 pink days first. That said, maybe prostate cancer has the right amount of awareness (among others).
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Sorry for your loss and having that wisdom and experience imparted to you is a very valuable thing. Understanding the past is very important as well as acknowledging how those struggles endure. That said, circling every current discussion back to the worst part of that era is as unproductive as pretending racism is all but extinct today. Context is crucial but so is something constructive.
Once again, does this principle only apply to race? Or is it ok if the trust fund babies ... or sexy co-eds ... or athletes exclude the normies from their group? The whole premise is built on exclusivity. They come in different flavors with different levels of hostility but the end result is often similar.
Uniting with like folks will always happen. Cutting down on the stupidity resulting from those groups is an easier target than the groups themselves.
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