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Game Thread Ohio State vs Michigan State - 10/05/19, 7:30PM (ABC)

Over or Under
425 total yds on Offense
The OL gives up 2 sacks
Fields throws for 225 yds
Offense gets 200 yds rushing
Dobbins gets over 100 yds rushing
Fields rushes for 50 yds
Ohio State scores over 40 pts.
Defense gives up 16 pts
Defense gets 4 sacks
Defense gets 2 INT
We get two big plays on special teams

Over. MD knows Tresselball and that the punt is the most important play in football leading to long fields. They also have a suspect secondary leading to long completions.
Push.
Over. This would have been my indifference point but for the logic in the first over / under.
Under. I think JK gets his but this game is won in the air.
Over. JK with 115, Fields with 40, balance of team ~40
Under. I don’t see him running much in this game. I think that they put a spy on him and that will free up receivers. Day will counter the spy.
Over. Maybe I’m optimistic here, but I see 42-48 being put up by the good guys.
Over. My indifference point was 17.
Under. I don’t think they work the MSU line like Nebby. I do think they get three.
Under. Just working from probability here. I see one.
Under. Big plays defined as blocked punt, recover a fumble on a punt / kickoff, return punt / kickoff for TD. They won’t return kicks. Punts will be too deep to field with anything more than a fair catch. That leaves us with a block or a return for a TD. Both low probability events. If you include punts downed inside the 5 as your definition of big play, I’ll give you the over.
 
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Over or Under
425 total yds on Offense. OVER
The OL gives up 2 sacks. PUSH
Fields throws for 225 yds. OVER
Offense gets 200 yds rushing OVER
Dobbins gets over 100 yds rushing. OVER
Fields rushes for 50 yds. OVER
Ohio State scores over 40 pts. OVER
Defense gives up 16 pts. UNDER
Defense gets 4 sacks. UNDER
Defense gets 2 INT. UNDER
We get two big plays on special teams. UNDER
 
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So B1G teams have had 4 straight 40+ wins only twice in the last 100 years.

The first time had the streak end in East Lansing when it took the officials 45 minutes to declare Sparty a 16-13 winner over the Buckeyes, completely ruining my birthday.

This streak might not see a 5th straight 40-point victory margin, but at least it's not my frickin' birthday.
 
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Over or Under
425 total yds on Offense OVER
The OL gives up 2 sacks PUSH
Fields throws for 225 yds OVER
Offense gets 200 yds rushing OVER
Dobbins gets over 100 yds rushing OVER
Fields rushes for 50 yds OVER
Ohio State scores over 40 pts. OVER
Defense gives up 16 pts UNDER
Defense gets 4 sacks PUSH
Defense gets 2 INT UNDER
We get two big plays on special teams UNDER
 
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425 total yds on Offense - Over
The OL gives up 2 sacks - Over
Fields throws for 225 yds - Over
Offense gets 200 yds rushing - Over
Dobbins gets over 100 yds rushing - Over
Fields rushes for 50 yds - Under
Ohio State scores over 40 pts. - Over
Defense gives up 16 pts - Under
Defense gets 4 sacks - Under
Defense gets 2 INT - Under
We get two big plays on special teams - Under
 
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Reading the Ozone post @ScriptOhio linked on the previous page had me rethinking the games since Urban took over. Urban retired 5-2 against Dantonio. You could make the case a half dozen different play calls here or there (or maybe even just Joey Bosa not being a meathead) and he'd have been 7-0. But the reverse is also true, Urban narrowly escaped being 3-4. After all, Ohio State won 17-16 in East Lansing TWICE. 17-16 finals don't favor the team running the spread offense, this is a score the team playing Tresselball wins by.

Box scores don't reflect the emotion of the game as you experience it in real time; The despair and inevitability of being down 21-6 to Alabama in the Sugar Bowl when you're actually, apparently, kicking their ass; The euphoria of clawing back against Michigan St in the 3rd quarter of the Big Ten Championship Game and feeling like you were just one Carlos Hyde hand-off on 4th and 1 from winning it, only the box score says MSU pretty much suffocated Ohio State for the first 20 minutes and the last 20 minutes en route to a double digit win. It was their only dominant win in the series against Urban, so props to them.

I remember the 2012 game being close (and especially chippy). Sparty didn't take their first (and final) lead until near the end of the 3rd quarter, and OSU promptly responded with Braxton dropping a dime to Devin Smith in stride down the sideline for a 63 yard TD just 1:44 later. MSU had the lead for all of that 1:44.

The 2014 game similarly felt close (and chippy), at least early, but again it was an OSU receiver, Michael Thomas, with the dagger, taking a pass 79 yards for a TD just 1:18 after Michigan St had taken the lead. MSU had the lead a grand total of 11:06 of clock time.

2015. Fuck. They never once lead until the clock hit 0:00.

It's the 2016 game that really stands out now...

The 2016 contest at Michigan State ended in a 17-16 Buckeye win (same score as 2012, but a much different route to that final). Trailing 17-10, LJ Scott carried the ball into the end zone from 1 yard out with 4:41 remaining in the game. At this point, Sparty had played perfect Tresselball against a superior roster and was about to tie, leading OSU in yards, time of possession, and having not turned the ball over once. Kick the FG, play defense, and at best they can repeat their 2015 escape the year prior with a walk-off FG. At worst, Dantonio should be thinking, the defense holds and they go to overtime at home with all the momentum. What happened? Dantonio, staring at a three win season, elects to go for the win right there and a Tyler O'Connor 2 point conversion attempt is picked off. On their final possession, a desperation heave from O'Connor is also intercepted by Gareon Conley, and Ohio State escapes East Lansing with the 1 point victory.

Why was this significant? Because again, Dantonio had the opportunity to win "the surest way" with Tresselball. He went away from it. From that moment, in the over 124 minutes of Michigan State v Ohio State football played since, Michigan State has scored 9 points, turned over the football 8 times, and never once held a lead.

Taking it back further. Since 2015, in 240 minutes of football, Michigan State has held a lead versus Ohio State for a grand total of 9 minutes and 57 seconds, and scored 42 total points. Yet still, they're a PBU on a 2 point conversion away from being 2-2.

Yeah, I know their needle is trending 'down' versus what they were working with in talent in the early half of this decade, but those are the "by the numbers" every OSU fan knows. Head to the store tomorrow and grab yourself some liquor, some Pepto, and maybe some Tums. The history of this series is: No matter how confident you are, it's more likely you'll need it than not to get through this game.


Just wanted you to know I actually read this
 
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For those who are all "under" for Fields running for 50 yds:

I think he could approach 100 in this one. MSU will be playing press coverage. Might not be as many WR's running free bc of tigher coverage. I'm envisioning DB's backs being turned, LB's bailing out, and Fields taking off for at least a couple of big chunk plays and him having to pick up a few tough 3rd and mediums with his legs. As long as he doesn't take any big loss sacks, holding onto the ball too long, I think he'll have between 75-100yds on the ground for the night...... just a hunch. Could be way off.
 
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For those who are all "under" for Fields running for 50 yds:

I think he could approach 100 in this one. MSU will be playing press coverage. Might not be as many WR's running free bc of tigher coverage. I'm envisioning DB's backs being turned, LB's bailing out, and Fields taking off for at least a couple of big chunk plays and him having to pick up a few tough 3rd and mediums with his legs. As long as he doesn't take any big loss sacks holding onto the ball too long, I think he'll have between 75-100yds on the ground for the night...... just a hunch. Could be way off.

Entirely possible

If there was one thing I’d do over in my response, I’d say OVER 2 sacks. Fields has said himself that he takes too many, and MSU brings pressure from all over

But if MSU shows tight coverage, that’s because they’re playing a lot better than they did against Indiana. I’ve already said that I think it’s reasonable to expect the Spartans to play better this week; I just don’t think it’ll be enough to keep #1 from finding open receivers. And I think Dantonio will try to limit the damage Fields does with his legs.

Should be fun either way
 
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For those who are all "under" for Fields running for 50 yds:

I think he could approach 100 in this one. MSU will be playing press coverage. Might not be as many WR's running free bc of tigher coverage. I'm envisioning DB's backs being turned, LB's bailing out, and Fields taking off for at least a couple of big chunk plays and him having to pick up a few tough 3rd and mediums with his legs. As long as he doesn't take any big loss sacks, holding onto the ball too long, I think he'll have between 75-100yds on the ground for the night...... just a hunch. Could be way off.


If MSU is dumb enough to come out in a lot of press man then Dantonio has completely lost it.

It would be the exact opposite of everything he has in his favor against Fields.

No ability to confuse Fields, DB's back turned to Fields when he scrambles and wide open WR's for Fields when OSU's superior athletes roast MSU defenders playing man.

He may mix some in but I will be shocked if that's the gameplan. (note: I have been shocked many times before)
 
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... And I think Dantonio will try to limit the damage Fields does with his legs...

If MSU is dumb enough to come out in a lot of press man then Dantonio has completely lost it.

It would be the exact opposite of everything he has in his favor against Fields.

No ability to confuse Fields, DB's back turned to Fields when he scrambles and wide open WR's for Fields when OSU's superior athletes roast MSU defenders playing man.

He may mix some in but I will be shocked if that's the gameplan. (note: I have been shocked many times before)

Yep, kinda what I was getting at
 
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For those who are all "under" for Fields running for 50 yds:

I think he could approach 100 in this one. MSU will be playing press coverage. Might not be as many WR's running free bc of tigher coverage. I'm envisioning DB's backs being turned, LB's bailing out, and Fields taking off for at least a couple of big chunk plays and him having to pick up a few tough 3rd and mediums with his legs. As long as he doesn't take any big loss sacks, holding onto the ball too long, I think he'll have between 75-100yds on the ground for the night...... just a hunch. Could be way off.
I was originally under but feel that he may be pressured out of the pocket a bit more than he's accustomed too and take off. Someone will spy but not sure who could for MSU. Could see him break 100 Sat night
 
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For those who are all "under" for Fields running for 50 yds:

I think he could approach 100 in this one. MSU will be playing press coverage. Might not be as many WR's running free bc of tigher coverage. I'm envisioning DB's backs being turned, LB's bailing out, and Fields taking off for at least a couple of big chunk plays and him having to pick up a few tough 3rd and mediums with his legs. As long as he doesn't take any big loss sacks, holding onto the ball too long, I think he'll have between 75-100yds on the ground for the night...... just a hunch. Could be way off.

I'm with you. I think Fields gets over 50 yds rushing. Probably more. The only thing that could throw a wrench is if Sparty gets a few sacks and they subtract that from his rushing total. But I see Justin breaking a long run, either by design or via scramble that will cover the majority of those 50 yds.
 
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I'm with you. I think Fields gets over 50 yds rushing. Probably more. The only thing that could throw a wrench is if Sparty gets a few sacks and they subtract that from his rushing total. But I see Justin breaking a long run, either by design or via scramble that will cover the majority of those 50 yds.
The designed runs for Fields have been so well called. In the past we knew QB run based off of field position, offensive set and down. Now? Who the fuck knows and I love it. I think that is what is so refreshing with this team. They are not predictable.
 
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