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Ohio State v. Michigan: A Different Perspective

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The first college and professional games were apparently televised in 1939. According to what I can find, the first Michigan game to be televised was the home opener against Michigan State in 1947. The 1952 Rose Bowl was the first nationally televised college game.

It seems even less impressive to boast about stats from the pre-tv era.

If anyone questioned the talent of those Michigan teams from the early 1900's, I give you the 1903 national champion Wolverines (one of their SIX RETROACTIVELY awarded titles). The game has hardly changed, has it?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_iqAJGizo"]YouTube- 1903 Football: University of Chicago vs University of Michigan[/ame]
 
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Redhawk;1605821; said:
The first college and professional games were apparently televised in 1939. According to what I can find, the first Michigan game to be televised was the home opener against Michigan State in 1947. The 1952 Rose Bowl was the first nationally televised game.

It seems even less impressive to boast about stats from the pre-tv era.

If anyone questioned the talent of those Michigan teams from the early 1900's, I give you the 1903 national champion Wolverines (one of their SIX RETROACTIVELY awarded titles). The game has hardly changed, has it?

YouTube- 1903 Football: University of Chicago vs University of Michigan
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:scum4:

So, I guess what you are saying is that, once they got a chance to see the state of Michigan first, people wouldn't send their telented kids there?:p
 
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LJB while this is all very interesting, and does put things into an historical perspective, and even shows things trending tOSUs way since 1948 it doesn't help me at all when arguing with 80 and 90 year old scUM fans :biggrin:
 
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LordJeffBuck;1605545; said:
Well, we've just won our sixth in a row against That Team Up North, but will that stop the weasels from squawking? No way! For the next year, all that you're going to hear from your maize and blue "friends" is how Michigan still "owns" Ohio State because (1) Michigan still holds a 57-43-6 advantage in The Game; (2) Michigan still has more national championships (9 to 7); (3) Michigan still has more Big Ten titles (42 to 34); (4) Michigan still has more All Americans and more members of the College Football Hall of Fame; and (5)Michigan is still the winningest college football program of all time (877 wins, .737 winning percentage). So, what is a poor Ohio State fan to do? If the "6 in a row" argument won't shut them up, then what will? To follow is a detailed breakdown of the two programs that puts the teams - and the rivalry - into some historical perspective.
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Thanks for the history lesson. Living in NW OHio I must endure far too many knuckleheaded fans of TSUN. The pathetic argument I hear most is the first claim mentioned: Michigan still holds a 57-43-6 advantage in The Game.

I try to explain how recent history is most relevant and satisfying, and how tOSU is clearly on top presently. One of the (main?) reasons we have so many TSUN fans in my area is because of the (lame) Ohioans who started rooted for TSUN as they saw the Bucks getting beaten with regularity during the Cooper era. I maintain that if recent history was significant enough to sway Ohio natives to root for TSUN in the past, recent history should be sufficient to prove that tOSU currently "owns" TSUN.

On a related point, because of the recent success of the Tressel-led Buckeyes, we are witnessing less Ohio natives defecting to the enemy. Thankfully, I see much more Buckeye gear in NW Ohio than ever before. Winning is a wonderful tonic! This kind of consistent winning helps solidify the Buckeye Nation in Ohio and helps to ensure continued dominance in the future.

It's (always) good to be a Buckeye!
 
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM8Gl2hdr4Y]YouTube - College Football's Greatest Rivalry Part 1[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gL6rHwftC0]YouTube - College Football's Greatest Rivalry Part 2[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CExx0GTlcUY]YouTube - College Football's Greatest Rivalry Part 3[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDJYLlbVSVo]YouTube - College Football's Greatest Rivalry Part 4[/ame]
 
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Perspective

How about this for perspective?

Michigan Skunkerines: Sucked before the universe was created-Sucked for the last 7-8 billion years-Suck Now-Suck to an infinite level-Will Suck when the sun finally exhausts itself.

How is that for scientific and statistical analysis?
 
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I completely forgot that Michigan went into the 1998 game with no Big Ten losses! Wow! We beat them in that game for a tie of the title??? I didn't believe it when I reviewed your summary, but I checked, and you're dead on.
 
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Michigan's big claim to fame is being the all-time winningest program in college football, with 903 victories and a .7345 winning percentage, both of which are the best in college football history.

Since 1924, Ohio State has been a more winning program than Michigan, with 655 victories compared to 654 for Michigan.

Prior to 1924, Michigan had 249 victories, compared to 182 for Ohio State.

If we add in the 11 wins that Ohio State vacated in 2010, then Ohio State became a more winning program than Michigan in 1902. Since then, Ohio State has 795 wins, compared to 794 for Michigan.

Ohio State also has a better "to date" winning percentage for every year from 1902 to 2012, except for the two-year period from 2011 to 2012. In other words, take any given year beginning in 1902, and calculate the two teams' winning percentages from that year through 2012. Ohio State beats Michigan every time, except for 2011 to 2012, when Ohio State compiled a record of 18-7 (.720 winning percentage), and Michigan compiled a record of 19-7 (.731 winning percentage).

From 1902 to 2012, Ohio State's winning percentage is .7316, and Michigan's is .7297.

Prior to 1902, Michigan had a winning percentage of .771, and Ohio State had a winning percentage of .549.

If we add in the 11 vacated wins, then Ohio State beats Michigan in "to date" winning percentage going back to 1899.

EDIT: Michigan really made its reputation in the twelve seasons from 1894 to 1905, when they compiled a record of 112-9-4 (.912 winning percentage), with five undefeated seasons and four national championships.

During the same period, Ohio State compiled a record of 69-42-11, for a .611 winning percentage.
 
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LordJeffBuck;2341238; said:
Michigan's big claim to fame is being the all-time winningest program in college football, with 903 victories and a .7345 winning percentage, both of which are the best in college football history.

Since 1924, Ohio State has been a more winning program than Michigan, with 655 victories compared to 654 for Michigan.

Prior to 1924, Michigan had 249 victories, compared to 182 for Ohio State.

If we add in the 11 wins that Ohio State vacated in 2010, then Ohio State became a more winning program than Michigan in 1902. Since then, Ohio State has 795 wins, compared to 794 for Michigan.

Ohio State also has a better "to date" winning percentage for every year from 1902 to 2012, except for the two-year period from 2011 to 2012. In other words, take any given year beginning in 1902, and calculate the two teams' winning percentages from that year through 2012. Ohio State beats Michigan every time, except for 2011 to 2012, when Ohio State compiled a record of 18-7 (.720 winning percentage), and Michigan compiled a record of 19-7 (.731 winning percentage).

From 1902 to 2012, Ohio State's winning percentage is .7316, and Michigan's is .7297.

Prior to 1902, Michigan had a winning percentage of .771, and Ohio State had a winning percentage of .549.

If we add in the 11 vacated wins, then Ohio State beats Michigan in "to date" winning percentage going back to 1899.

EDIT: Michigan really made its reputation in the twelve seasons from 1894 to 1905, when they compiled a record of 112-9-4 (.912 winning percentage), with five undefeated seasons and four national championships.

During the same period, Ohio State compiled a record of 69-42-11, for a .611 winning percentage.
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GPA

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