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Ohio State v. Michigan: A Different Perspective

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LordJeffBuck;2341238; said:
Michigan's big claim to fame is being the all-time winningest program in college football, with 903 victories and a .7345 winning percentage, both of which are the best in college football history.

Since 1924, Ohio State has been a more winning program than Michigan, with 655 victories compared to 654 for Michigan.

Prior to 1924, Michigan had 249 victories, compared to 182 for Ohio State.

If we add in the 11 wins that Ohio State vacated in 2010, then Ohio State became a more winning program than Michigan in 1902. Since then, Ohio State has 795 wins, compared to 794 for Michigan.

Ohio State also has a better "to date" winning percentage for every year from 1902 to 2012, except for the two-year period from 2011 to 2012. In other words, take any given year beginning in 1902, and calculate the two teams' winning percentages from that year through 2012. Ohio State beats Michigan every time, except for 2011 to 2012, when Ohio State compiled a record of 18-7 (.720 winning percentage), and Michigan compiled a record of 19-7 (.731 winning percentage).

From 1902 to 2012, Ohio State's winning percentage is .7316, and Michigan's is .7297.

Prior to 1902, Michigan had a winning percentage of .771, and Ohio State had a winning percentage of .549.

If we add in the 11 vacated wins, then Ohio State beats Michigan in "to date" winning percentage going back to 1899.

EDIT: Michigan really made its reputation in the twelve seasons from 1894 to 1905, when they compiled a record of 112-9-4 (.912 winning percentage), with five undefeated seasons and four national championships.

During the same period, Ohio State compiled a record of 69-42-11, for a .611 winning percentage.
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I've told people around me, that the last time Michigan was really relevant, the Model T was still in use. This furthers that statement.
 
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LordJeffBuck;2341238; said:
Michigan's big claim to fame is being the all-time winningest program in college football, with 903 victories and a .7345 winning percentage, both of which are the best in college football history.

Since 1924, Ohio State has been a more winning program than Michigan, with 655 victories compared to 654 for Michigan.

Prior to 1924, Michigan had 249 victories, compared to 182 for Ohio State.

If we add in the 11 wins that Ohio State vacated in 2010, then Ohio State became a more winning program than Michigan in 1902. Since then, Ohio State has 795 wins, compared to 794 for Michigan.

Ohio State also has a better "to date" winning percentage for every year from 1902 to 2012, except for the two-year period from 2011 to 2012. In other words, take any given year beginning in 1902, and calculate the two teams' winning percentages from that year through 2012. Ohio State beats Michigan every time, except for 2011 to 2012, when Ohio State compiled a record of 18-7 (.720 winning percentage), and Michigan compiled a record of 19-7 (.731 winning percentage).

From 1902 to 2012, Ohio State's winning percentage is .7316, and Michigan's is .7297.

Prior to 1902, Michigan had a winning percentage of .771, and Ohio State had a winning percentage of .549.

If we add in the 11 vacated wins, then Ohio State beats Michigan in "to date" winning percentage going back to 1899.

EDIT: Michigan really made its reputation in the twelve seasons from 1894 to 1905, when they compiled a record of 112-9-4 (.912 winning percentage), with five undefeated seasons and four national championships.

During the same period, Ohio State compiled a record of 69-42-11, for a .611 winning percentage.
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I propose that all games involving leather helmets with no face masks and when a football looked more like a rugby ball be set aside in their own category - and we deal with what has happened in something we recognize as modern football.

As a kid (my first memories of OSU football was the 68 team) it always bothered me to see the overall record with scUM having something around a 25 win advantage. I understood that this advantage was acquired in the leather helmet days, but I never dreamed that Ohio State could narrow the margin. Tressel was a Wolverine killer, and I began to have some hope. If Urban Meyer can beat those guys, I may see the good guys get the upper hand in this series before I die. And then I could die in peace with a smile on my face. :)
 
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LordJeffBuck;2341238; said:
Michigan's big claim to fame is being the all-time winningest program in college football, with 903 victories and a .7345 winning percentage, both of which are the best in college football history.

Since 1924, Ohio State has been a more winning program than Michigan, with 655 victories compared to 654 for Michigan.

Prior to 1924, Michigan had 249 victories, compared to 182 for Ohio State.

If we add in the 11 wins that Ohio State vacated in 2010, then Ohio State became a more winning program than Michigan in 1902. Since then, Ohio State has 795 wins, compared to 794 for Michigan.

Ohio State also has a better "to date" winning percentage for every year from 1902 to 2012, except for the two-year period from 2011 to 2012. In other words, take any given year beginning in 1902, and calculate the two teams' winning percentages from that year through 2012. Ohio State beats Michigan every time, except for 2011 to 2012, when Ohio State compiled a record of 18-7 (.720 winning percentage), and Michigan compiled a record of 19-7 (.731 winning percentage).

From 1902 to 2012, Ohio State's winning percentage is .7316, and Michigan's is .7297.

Prior to 1902, Michigan had a winning percentage of .771, and Ohio State had a winning percentage of .549.

If we add in the 11 vacated wins, then Ohio State beats Michigan in "to date" winning percentage going back to 1899.

EDIT: Michigan really made its reputation in the twelve seasons from 1894 to 1905, when they compiled a record of 112-9-4 (.912 winning percentage), with five undefeated seasons and four national championships.

During the same period, Ohio State compiled a record of 69-42-11, for a .611 winning percentage.
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Posting above to FB. I cannot wait for the traitors from :oh::io: to come out of the hole they have been hiding in.
 
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oldmanbuckeye;2344237; said:
it is not fair to take slices of history to make a point or support your point of view ... you need to look at the history of a program in it's entirety ..
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I think if you'll read what LJB posted again you will find that he didn't use "slices" to validate his point. His post was more of a division between ancient history (a scUM fans last remaining argument)and modern football times (The reality of what these 2 programs have become). To use the term "slices" would imply that he only used stats that would shine a positive light on our beloved program and leave out the ones that didn't fare well for us e.g. the Cooper years. I can assure you if I am way off base of my assessment LJB will certainly say so.
 
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oldmanbuckeye;2344237; said:
it is not fair to take slices of history to make a point or support your point of view ... you need to look at the history of a program in it's entirety ..
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By that razor sharp logic then the French must still be a world power given their success in the Napoleonic wars.
 
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Originally Posted by oldmanbuckeye
it is not fair to take slices of history to make a point or support your point of view ... you need to look at the history of a program in it's entirety ..

I think if you'll read what LJB posted again you will find that he didn't use "slices" to validate his point. His post was more of a division between ancient history (a scUM fans last remaining argument)and modern football times (The reality of what these 2 programs have become). To use the term "slices" would imply that he only used stats that would shine a positive light on our beloved program and leave out the ones that didn't fare well for us e.g. the Cooper years. I can assure you if I am way off base of my assessment LJB will certainly say so.


You are right it was more about ancient history vs modern history ... so, slices was an inaccurate assessment of his post ... having said that though .. I still think you cant discount " ancient " history ... a hundred years from now will the 1949 through 2000 be considered " ancient " history therefore not relevant ... just a thought ...
 
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