Ohio State v. Michigan: A Different Perspective

[HorseshoeFetish]

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Originally Posted by oldmanbuckeye



You are right it was more about ancient history vs modern history ... so, slices was an inaccurate assessment of his post ... having said that though .. I still think you cant discount " ancient " history ... a hundred years from now will the 1949 through 2000 be considered " ancient " history therefore not relevant ... just a thought ...

The way things are going it will be a 7 on 7 game wearing flags..so yeah probably.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

it is not fair to take slices of history to make a point or support your point of view ... you need to look at the history of a program in it's entirety ..

Well, if you take every "slice" from 1902 to 2012, with the exception of one (that being the 2011-2012 "slice"), then Ohio State has a better record than Michigan.

If you're concerned about the "slices" going back to the nineteenth century, then be my guest.

I still think you cant discount " ancient " history ... a hundred years from now will the 1949 through 2000 be considered " ancient " history therefore not relevant ... just a thought ...

I don't disagree with this, which is why, in my original posts, I looked at three large "slices" of history: 1879 to 1933 (ancient); 1934 to 1948 (semi-modern); and 1949 to 2012 (modern). At some point, the "modern slice" will need some revision, and if the two teams keep trending as they have been for the past decade or so, then 2001 will be a good starting point for the fourth "slice" of the rivalry.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I hate the stinking skunkbears, but claiming them to be irrelevant just doesn't pass the giggle test.

It passes it better than those ass clowns jerking off into Fielding Yosts wool sock about shit done over 100 years ago.

 

[Jaxbuck]

You are right it was more about ancient history vs modern history ... so, slices was an inaccurate assessment of his post ... having said that though .. I still think you cant discount " ancient " history ... a hundred years from now will the 1949 through 2000 be considered " ancient " history therefore not relevant ... just a thought ...

and if OSU fans haven't had enough success in the coming 100 years to talk about that instead of the glory years of 1949-2000 then they will deserve the same ridicule Domers and scUM fans currently get.

 

[oldmanbuckeye]

dont get me wrong my dislike for scum was imbibed with my mother's milk ... and if scum would never beat OSU again a delightful sense of schadenfreude would engulf me ...

 

[Coqui]

I hate the stinking skunkbears, but claiming them to be irrelevant just doesn't pass the giggle test.

I meant on a national level. All but three of their national championships came during or before the time of the Model T. They have only 2 AP National Championships.

Basically in the Modern era of football (i.e. the forward pass) they haven't really done much on a national scale.

 

[brodybuck21]

I meant on a national level. All but three of their national championships came during or before the time of the Model T. They have only 2 AP National Championships.

Basically in the Modern era of football (i.e. the forward pass) they haven't really done much on a national scale.

^^^THIS^^^

 

[LordJeffBuck]

They have only 2 AP National Championships.

Basically in the Modern era of football (i.e. the forward pass) they haven't really done much on a national scale.

AP National Championships
Alabama..........10
Notre Dame........8
Oklahoma..........7
Southern Cal......5
Miami.............5
Ohio State........5
Minnesota.........4
Nebraska..........4
Texas.............3
Florida...........3
Florida State.....3
Michigan..........2
Pittsburgh........2
Tennessee.........2
Clemson...........2
Army..............2
Auburn............2
Louisiana State...2
Penn State........2
Michigan State....1
Maryland..........1
Texas Christian...1
Texas A+M.........1
Syracuse..........1
Georgia...........1
Colorado..........1
Brigham Young.....1


Michigan dwelling with some unimpressive neighbors: Auburn, Army, Tennessee, Pittsburgh....

Some other interesting numbers....

Since Michigan won the 1948 AP national championship, they have had only ten top-5 finishes and one additional AP title (and zero coaches titles), while Ohio State has had twenty-one top-5 finishes and three additional AP titles (along with three coaches titles).

Here's how the two teams stack up since Michigan won the 1997 AP national championship:

Overall record
Ohio State: 149-40, for a .788 winning percentage
Michigan: 127-61, for a .676 winning percentage

Head-to-head
Ohio State: 11-4, for a .733 winning percentage
Michigan: 4-11, for a .267 winning percentage

Big Ten Titles
Ohio State: 8 total, 3 outright
Michigan: 4 total, 1 outright

Top-10 AP finishes
Ohio State: 10, with 9 being in the top-5, and 1 title
Michigan: 4, with only 1 being on the top-5 (a #5 finish in 1999)

BCS Bowl Games
Ohio State: 6 wins, 3 losses
Michigan: 2 wins, 4 losses

Clearly, Michigan is a program in decline, and they have a long way to go before they can return to the elite of college football (if they have ever really been there in any era which can reasonably be called "modern"). Michigan's 1997 AP championship - their only title of any kind during the past 63 years - is looking more and more like a fluke, similar to those titles won by Pittsburgh (1976), Georgia (1980), Clemson (1981), Brigham Young (1984), Colorado (1990), Tennessee (1998), and Auburn (2010).

 

[colobuck79]

So really, the forward pass is what killed TSUN. Nice.

 

[oldmanbuckeye]

So really, the forward pass is what killed TSUN. Nice.

the forward pass and Tressel :)

 

[oldmanbuckeye]

michigan is going to have a hard time winning their division this season .... I think Nebraska and , are you ready for this , Northwestern finish ahead of scum ....

 

[Coqui]

So really, the forward pass is what killed TSUN. Nice.

I'd say so

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSPVSjqxZec"]Denard Robinson throws out first pitch at Comerica Park - YouTube[/ame]

 

[OSUK]

At the risk of waxing too philosophical....

I - and all dyed in the wool Buckeye fans - sing with zesto "We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan..."

But, ironically, we do care - a ton - about That School Up North. Beating the shit out of them, that is.