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Game Thread Ohio State @ Purdue - 10/20/18, 7:30PM (ABC)

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Tanner said:
What percentage of the linebackers putrid performance this year do you attribute to not being put in position to succeed and the players just not being that good?

I'd have it 67% not being put in position to succeed
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I’d put it more at 90% considering Davis made Worley and Baker, two proven LBs from the year before, look like MAC level LBs.
 
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Tanner said:
What percentage of the linebackers putrid performance this year do you attribute to not being put in position to succeed and the players just not being that good?

I'd have it 67% not being put in position to succeed
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100%

Werner and Browning would be looking like total standout studs if they were playing at ND and Bama respectively, and not because they were surrounded by more talent than they are currently either.
 
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CFPBuckeye said:
Not sure I agree. The BCS demanded perfection. Only 2 teams got a shot at the title each year. Now, you don’t even have to win your own conference and you can still get in.
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True though a a New Years 6 bowl still meant something. Playoff or bust now. Other bowls are meaningless now really. I enjoy bowl season still though above is the new mentality for most fans of historically successful programs.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I think the more simple answer is that you don't just replace Nick Bosa. Next man up is likely doing his best but they aren't all top 5 draft picks.


As far as questioning the leadership/heart of this team goes I'll just try to go back to the PSU game thread and see if anyone was questioning it after the 4th quarter come back in that environment.

Maybe that has been a fair question all year and not just a knee jerk reaction to a bad loss. Who knows?
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Bosa was the best DE we had on the team, but his loss was not so huge that it in any way explains what we saw last night. I think Purdue would have pretty much done the same. Purdue got the ball out quick to neutralize the pass rush and then gashed our guys once they were gassed. Bosa might have gotten a couple more sacks, but i think that the outcome would have been similar. the o
 
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There are a lot of problems but I think if you had to try to boil it down to two things, it's our O-Line when it comes to the run game and our LB play in general that are crippling this team the most. I mean, we are so bad in those two areas that it's like having an Achilles' heel on either side of the ball.

At one point Stud was about as respected an O-line coach as was out there, there were a lot of people that wanted him back when Urb was first putting his OSU staff together (instead we hit the jackpot with Warriner). I think we've seen enough now to know that Stud just doesn't have it any more, this O-Line seems like they are only getting worse and they haven't really been consistently good since he got the job. I think we've DEFINITELY seen enough to know that Davis is not getting the job done with the LB corps. It's frankly embarrassing the degree to which raw talent is going undeveloped and wasted at these position groups right now. Stud possibly deserves another season, I dunno, but I hope Urban does something about the linebackers ASAP. But I'm afraid he won't because of loyalty to his friend (and boy that loyalty shit has been working out just great for Urb recently, hasn't it).
 
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I sincerely hope all 3 of these attention whores were at the game last night. I only spotted one of them on TV.

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Drubuck said:
True though a a New Years 6 bowl still meant something. Playoff or bust now. Other bowls are meaningless now really. I enjoy bowl season still though above is the new mentality for most fans of historically successful programs.
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To each his own. A New Years Bowl now is still what it was then. A consolation prize when your team no longer had a chance to win it all. I’m still looking forward to a New Years Bowl. I think we all knew this wasn’t a playoff team. That’s what made last nights loss so easy to accept. It was embarrassing as hell but totally expected.
 
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nomatta said:
There are a lot of problems but I think if you had to try to boil it down to two things, it's our O-Line when it comes to the run game and our LB play in general that are crippling this team the most. I mean, we are so bad in those two areas that it's like having an Achilles' heel on either side of the ball.

At one point Stud was about as respected an O-line coach as was out there, there were a lot of people that wanted him back when Urb was first putting his OSU staff together (instead we hit the jackpot with Warriner). I think we've seen enough now to know that Stud just doesn't have it any more, this O-Line seems like they are only getting worse and they haven't really been consistently good since he got the job. I think we've DEFINITELY seen enough to know that Davis is not getting the job done with the LB corps. It's frankly embarrassing the degree to which raw talent is going undeveloped and wasted at these position groups right now. Stud possibly deserves another season, I dunno, but I hope Urban does something about the linebackers ASAP. But I'm afraid he won't because of loyalty to his friend (and boy that loyalty shit has been working out just great for Urb recently, hasn't it).
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The more I think about it the more I think we need to reinvent ourselves all the way around. Did these coaches who historically have been good all the sudden become lousy? No.

In my opinion we've been running the same stuff in the same situations and we have been figured out. Great programs keep evolving, and hands what they do, and more importantly tailor to what we do well.

The arrogance to go into a season every year and run the same stuff time and time again while expecting to dominate is just not what great programs normally do.

In my opinion we need a little bit of a refresher. For six straight years it's been all about point A to point B and 4 to 6 while running a spread offense and an aggressive defense (save for 2013).

I think most of our coaches are actually some of the best at their positions. So whatever we are doing scheme wise is putting us at a disadvantage. This is what we have done for a while now and that is we continue doing things that hurt us until we lose. Then when we the season is over we encourage the position coaches to take other positions? It's the same cycle every time.
 
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