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Ohio State Now "Other Ohio Team"

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ORD_Buckeye;1364689; said:
Well golly gee whiz, Sargent Carter. This kid showed a little bit of basic humanity and we're supposed to start fitting him for next year's Nobel Peace Prize?

He's still a loudmouthed punk, and his gold grill is still f^&king ridiculous.
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Now you're going to Pyle on?
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1364689; said:
Well golly gee whiz, Sargent Carter. This kid showed a little bit of basic humanity and we're supposed to start fitting him for next year's Nobel Peace Prize?

He's still a loudmouthed punk, and his gold grill is still f^&king ridiculous.
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so be it...then the world needs more 'loudmouthed punks' like this...

Receiver doth giveth | Cincinnati Enquirer | Cincinnati.Com
 
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Hey, go easy. Would you want UC football to continue to be the home of 4 & 8 teams?

The school has programs that meet or exceed those at Ohio State: Music, Design and Architecture and the Med School. The college of engineering was a pioneer in co-op education and is still one of the higher ranked eng schools in the midwest.

At 40,000 + students it is bigger than some Big 10 schools.

The football program has survived adversity. When I first arrived in Cincinnati in 1974, the program was under attack by faculty and the local media. It has only been in the last decade that the facilites were brought up to "big school" status. Come to UC, win a few and then get picked up by a bigger program has been the goal of a parade of coaches here.

When you consider the many advantages that OSU has: a 105K stadium, state-of-the-art training and practice facilities, biggest alumni association in the nation, a billion dollar endowment fund, damn near every game on regional TV, many on national, situated right down the street from the State House, high recognition icons, Brutus, Script Ohio, Across the Field, The 'shoe, Block O and Buckeye Leaves, and the school's football history it is no wonder that the program does so well.

Indeed, I've been a life member of the Alumni Association since graduation and yet never once, even in the depths of Earl Bruce's years of mediocrity, or John Cooper's Michigan problem, did I ever get so much as a sniff at season ticket offerings, a sure sign that the program has boundless resources.

And now the Bearcats win a few games, get a BCS bowl bid and a kid shows pride in his team and some you sound like you need two Midol and a heating pad. Give the kid and the school a break. Both are doing their best to come up to Ohio State's standard and are constantly measuring themselves against the scarlet and gray. That's a high compliment. Take it as such.
 
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cincibuck;1365396; said:
The school has programs that meet or exceed those at Ohio State: Music, Design and Architecture and the Med School. The college of engineering was a pioneer in co-op education and is still one of the higher ranked eng schools in the midwest.
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C'mon Cinci, since when did this turn into an academic argument. I'll admit that architecture and design is UC's one flagship program. Every Other State University seems to have their one: i.e. journalism at OU; polymers at Akron, fashion at Kent, collar popping at Fredo of Ohio, but show me any ranking or metric anywhere that puts their med school or engineering college as meeting much less exceeding Ohio State's.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You can take the best department from every Other State University and combine them into one university: the best history department, the best physics department, the best business college, the best engineering college and so on until you've constructed the Super Fredo. You would then have a university that outside of maybe half a dozen departments would still only be full of the second ranked departments and colleges in the state university system. You can combine all of their research funding, and Ohio State would still attract almost twice as much into the state each year. You could add up all of their National Academy members and Ohio State would still hold a 24-1 edge. You could combine all of their faculty that have been awarded Guggenheim Fellowships over the last quarter century, and Ohio State would still hold a 35-6 edge.

As for UC going 4 & 8 every year, I could care less. Even if the damage is only confined to the SW quadrant of the state, having another high quality BCS program in the state does nothing but cut into Ohio State's turf. Now I think some of the UC fans are utterly insane with their notions that UC offers everything that Ohio State does or that a couple of top 25 seasons puts them at Ohio State's level, but if they continue down the path that they've been on the gap will inevitably shrink. I'll check back and see how the "I support all 'Ohio Football'" crowd feels the first time Brian Kelly snags a top in-state recruit who was seriously pursued by Tressel.

As for the kid, I have no problem with his measuring the program against the standard set by Ohio State or his wanting to prove himself against Ohio State on the field. My, and I think the majority of posters in this thread, problem with the kid is that Mr. Grillz comes across as a loudmouthed, smack talking punk who clearly states that he believes that UC is the dominant program in the state--a rather cowardly contention considering that it will be impossible to prove on the field until after he's gone.
 
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42 UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI COLLEGE OF MED CINCINNATI OHIO 240 $98,938,144 211 $92,702,002 11 $3,186,749 12 $450,451 1 $422,723 5 $2,176,219
43 UNIVERSITY OF UTAH SCH OF MEDICINE SALT LAKE CITY UTAH 236 $87,061,612 211 $80,585,555 8 $2,986,108 12 $469,768 1 $149,866 4 $2,870,315
44 UNIV OF CALIFORNIA DAVIS COL OF MED DAVIS CALIFORNIA 242 $86,886,128 225 $82,494,382 5 $1,385,651 8 $361,319 2 $785,000 2 $1,859,776
45 OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY COL OF MEDICINE COLUMBUS OHIO 231 $86,223,839 218 $79,466,464 7 $2,092,322 3

First thikng I noticed in going over the various rankings is how much they change from year to year. This is from 2005. US News and World for 2007 ranks OSU higher.

Let me first of all admit that I had not kept up with med school rankings. In the 60's, 70s and 80's OSU was ranked much lower than UC and Case - Western and is still behind Case - Western in current rankings.

Finally, I didn't state that UC's engineering program was better or higher ranked than OSU's. I said it was a pioneer in co-op education and had one of the better ranked programs in the midwest, which it does.
 
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Classical
Boston Conservatory (Boston, MA)
Cleveland Institute of Music (Cleveland, Ohio)
Colburn School (Los Angeles, California)
Curtis Institute of Music (Philadelphia, PA)
Juilliard School (New York, NY)
Longy School of Music (Cambridge, MA)
Manhattan School of Music (New York, NY)
New England Conservatory (Boston, MA)
Oberlin Conservatory of Music (Oberlin, Ohio)
San Francisco Conservatory of Music (San Francisco, CA)
The College-Conservatory of Music (Cincinnati, Ohio)


What I will have to admit is how far Ohio State has risen in academic prestige in the last two decades. Hats off to President's Gee and Holbrook.

In fact, I was amazed and pleasantly surprized to see that the rise in quality was literally across the board.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1365407; said:
My, and I think the majority of posters in this thread, problem with the kid is that Mr. Grillz comes across as a loudmouthed, smack talking punk who clearly states that he believes that UC is the dominant program in the state--a rather cowardly contention considering that it will be impossible to prove on the field until after he's gone.
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I've posted in this thread, so I'll respond. Count me among those not in your presumed majority.

I agree with your assessment about Cincinnati's football program. I would prefer that they were not in a BCS conference, and that tOSU's dominance in the state would remain unchallenged.

But count me among those who think that your portrayal and name-calling of the UC athlete is something that lacks class.

Your poking fun at the other universities in the state, such as calling them names like Fredo, is amusing to me. The statement I've quoted above is something quite different.
 
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cincibuck;1365432; said:
What I will have to admit is how far Ohio State has risen in academic prestige in the last two decades. Hats off to President's Gee and Holbrook.

In fact, I was amazed and pleasantly surprized to see that the rise in quality was literally across the board.
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Gee and Holbrook both did a good job, but the real credit for reversing Rhodes' (and John Millet's) damage to Ohio State goes to Ed Jennings. He did the real heavy lifting and had to fight against a still living Jim Rhodes as well as his leftover appointees to the board and allies in the legislature.

I think people of your generation heard so much bad info about Ohio State that it kind of blinds you to the fact that Ohio State had a much better reputation before Jim Rhodes than it would subsequently have during the 60s and 70s, and that--while the university definitely fell behind its Big Ten peers on the undergrad level--it still had numerous nationally known departments, colleges and faculty members. One of the key arguments that Jennings made in building political support for abandoning Rhodes' policies was to show how far faculty quality had slipped during the 60s and 70s as Ohio State--due to the Rhodes/Millet policies--was unable to replace the quality of faculty from the 40s and 50s when they retired.

Also, keep in mind that Ohio State was invited into the AAU as early as 1916. I think that might be even before we were in the Big Ten. Think how many universities are still waiting for an AAU invite--UC and all the other Ohio publics among them. Case didn't even get in until the sixties. Notre Dame is still waiting to get in which is why their faculty voted so overwhelmingly in favor of joining the Big Ten--to get access to the CIC. That would lead one to believe that there must have been just a little bit of national reputation and quality that predated Gordon Gee by about eight decades.
 
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BB73;1365452; said:
I've posted in this thread, so I'll respond. Count me among those not in your presumed majority.

I agree with your assessment about Cincinnati's football program. I would prefer that they were not in a BCS conference, and that tOSU's dominance in the state would remain unchallenged.

But count me among those who think that your portrayal and name-calling of the UC athlete is something that lacks class.

Your poking fun at the other universities in the state, such as calling them names like Fredo, is amusing to me. The statement I've quoted above is something quite different.
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I don't really have a problem with you opinion. Pesonally I think if this kid wants to ghetto himself up with cheap gold grillz and run smack about Ohio State knowing full well that he won't have to back it up on the field, let him. As far as character issues go, there are far worse athletes out there--several of whom have passed through the Woody Hayes facility. That being said, I feel no remorse--on an Ohio State board no less--for calling the guy out for those comments and having a little bit of fun at his expense for his ridiculous fashion statement.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I don't really have a problem with you opinion. Pesonally I think if this kid wants to ghetto himself up with cheap gold grillz and run smack about Ohio State knowing full well that he won't have to back it up on the field, let him. As far as character issues go, there are far worse athletes out there--several of whom have passed through the Woody Hayes facility. That being said, I feel no remorse--on an Ohio State board no less--for calling the guy out for those comments and having a little bit of fun at his expense for his ridiculous fashion statement.
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The problem is the use of that tone and language reduces the effectiveness of the other well thought out posts.

I'm not saying you're wrong at all. It's just hard for other people to see your good points when you use that tone and language.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1365454; said:
I think people of your generation heard so much bad info about Ohio State...
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I've never been ashamed of the fact that I graduated from Ohio State. The college of education has consistently been one of the top ranked ed schools in the nation, even through the dark years of Jim Rhodes.

I might add that because OSU was forced to accept everyone they did a superb job of weeding folks out. To get through frshman year was an accomplishment.

At the same time I found out early on that the school always had a fine support staff on board, BUT you had to get off your butt and find them, they did not go looking for you.

That being said I also recognized that there were other fine schools in the state as there still are today. That includes athletics.
 
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