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Ohio State Athletic Program Violations

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Articles like these show a significant misunderstanding of the relationship between school compliance offices and the ncaa. When I was in school I worked as a tutor for student athletes..it would have been deemed a violation to let one of them borrow a pencil or to let them use my phone to call someone for a ride home and they were absolutely anal about staying on top of these horrific violations that may have occured.

The schools with compliance offices that are doing their job take the approach of having an absolutely inflexible interpretation of the rules, but these things have basically no consequence and are little more then some additional paperwork.
 
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AJHawkfan;2156166; said:
Last August, quality control football staffer Kirk Barton, a former OSU offensive lineman, created and ordered 20 "JT" bracelets for $5 each online to honor former coach Jim Tressel. He intended them for friends and family, but several players asked Barton about the bracelets. He sold seven players the bracelets for $15, charging that amount in an attempt to make sure no violation was committed, knowing that giving them out for free would be an NCAA violation. But selling them still was deemed a violation because players had access to something not available to the general public. The players returned the bracelets.
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So, you cannot give anything to a college football player if it is not available to the general public? But, you cannot sell something to a football player either?

Huh?
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Yes. Anything available ONLY to student athletes, but not offered to the general student population, is apparently forbidden.

Kinda like access to your locker room. Or your athlete weight room. Or your training table, treatment staff, film room, indoor practice fields, etc.

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to ask you to disband your football program, Buckeyes. Clearly you're giving your athletes "impermissible benefits" by allowing them access to the things that make them athletes in the first place.

On a sad note, Nebraska will also have to disband its program (we'll use Memorial Stadium to park blimps or something), because we also allow our student-athletes access to things that the regular student population doesn't have access to.

God bless the NCAA. Their rules and enforcement thereof makes perfect sense.
 
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jlb1705;2156140; said:
Those stories were far beyond secondary violations, even when we were being lied to and we thought everything was OK.

There is literally no comparison here. Secondary violations are meaningless and happen at every school across all sports, mostly by accident. They are like parking tickets from campus police. They are only a problem if you ignore them.
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I wasn't comparing them. I was saying that I don't consider 46 violations, whether reported or not, to be a good thing as suggested by the article. And I would hope that these ridiculous violations don't warrant any NCAA action, but at this point, can you say the NCAA makes ANY SENSE in what they do?

I was also saying I don't think the NCAA gives two [Mark May]s whether the violations are self-reported or discovered by investigation. Not sure why some people are assuming that I'm saying the sky is falling. I guess I shouldn't have created a thread about an article about Ohio State football and secondary violations on a message board about Ohio State football. Silly me Sally.
 
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OH10;2156217; said:
I wasn't comparing them. I was saying that I don't consider 46 violations, whether reported or not, to be a good thing as suggested by the article. And I would hope that these ridiculous violations don't warrant any NCAA action, but at this point, can you say the NCAA makes ANY SENSE in what they do?

I was also saying I don't think the NCAA gives two [Mark May]s whether the violations are self-reported or discovered by investigation. Not sure why some people are assuming that I'm saying the sky is falling. I guess I shouldn't have created a thread about an article about Ohio State football and secondary violations on a message board about Ohio State football. Silly me Sally.
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It's understandable to post an article about Ohio State football. It's just that 46 violations over almost a years time an athletic department the size of Ohio State's is actually a pretty "clean" year the way this sort of stuff actually works. This article is poorly written because it makes no effort to really examine the reality of the situation and the ins and outs of how compliance reporting works. The general fan reading something like this would/could easily come to the conclusion that Ohio State athletics is still somehow "out of control" and that is just not the case.
 
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JBaney45;2156230; said:
It's understandable to post an article about Ohio State football. It's just that 46 violations over almost a years time an athletic department the size of Ohio State's is actually a pretty "clean" year the way this sort of stuff actually works. This article is poorly written because it makes no effort to really examine the reality of the situation and the ins and outs of how compliance reporting works. The general fan reading something like this would/could easily come to the conclusion that Ohio State athletics is still somehow "out of control" and that is just not the case.
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Not only that, but the info about OSU comes to us in a vacuum. How many secondary violations do schools typically have in a year? 50? 100? 46 could be outrageously huge or a drop in the bucket compared to other schools.
 
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My reaction (typical OSU fan not on this board) looks a little like this...

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In all seriousness, this shit is just funny.
 
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