Ohio State Athletic Program Violations

[JBaney45]

Not only that, but the info about OSU comes to us in a vacuum. How many secondary violations do schools typically have in a year? 50? 100? 46 could be outrageously huge or a drop in the bucket compared to other schools.

Exactly, that's what I was getting at. You'd have to examine how many violations are typically committed by schools vs the size of the athletics department (the 46 violations came across ALL sports, notice the article didn't lead with anything about the women's soccer coach admitting to violations).

Having gone through a decent amount of compliance training/exposure, I would say that for the size of Ohio State's AD that 46 is a pretty reasonable to low number for almost a years time without having other schools numbers to look at. These minor violations are pretty much all open and shut type cases and if you're not exceeding a certain threshold the NCAA is not going to bat an eyelash

 

[Bucknut24]

I'm honestly shocked this isn't front page headline on espn.com

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I'd take you seriously if you said that in French

I'm Swiss

 

[redguard117]

Well, we've averaged around 42 a year with JT, so 46 doesn't seem too huge with a whole new coaching staff coming in and having to build relationships with recruits from scratch.

I'm honestly shocked this isn't front page headline on espn.com

For all of 30 minutes, I said the same thing about Anzalone...

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

From an article in the Dispatch from 9/15/11

About 4,000 violations a year are reported to the NCAA, many of them unknown to the public because of FERPA. But one thing is certain: Ohio State has more than most. Florida, for example, reported 112 violations since 2000, and Oklahoma reported 224.

If you do the math, 4,000/ 120 = 33 violations per year per school.

 

[Bleed S & G]

From an article in the Dispatch from 9/15/11



If you do the math, 4,000/ 120 = 33 violations per year per school.

Good find.

 

[redguard117]

Doesn't Ohio State have far more athletic teams and a large department than either of those two, however?

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Doesn't Ohio State have far more athletic teams and a large department than either of those two, however?

The Dispatch article I quoted but did not link noted that Florida and Oklahoma have 17 teams. Ohio State has 36
(linkage: Click Here Deety!)
From the Plain Dealer:

Secondary violations are a fact of life in college athletic departments. Lots of secondary violations can be viewed as either a problem (we're messing up a lot of little stuff) or a plus (we're catching and self-reporting a lot of little stuff.)
This number for Ohio State is likely higher than the average college athletic department over almost a year, but Ohio State is also the largest athletic department in the country in numbers of sports and number of athletes.

 

[JBaney45]

From an article in the Dispatch from 9/15/11



If you do the math, 4,000/ 120 = 33 violations per year per school.

But that math is incomplete because you aren't taking into account the size of each individual athletic department. Although I'd also have to ask if that '4000' number comes from just FBS schools or all schools under the NCAA umbrella

Well, we've averaged around 42 a year with JT, so 46 doesn't seem too huge with a whole new coaching staff coming in and having to build relationships with recruits from scratch.

Again the 46 per year is ALL sports not just football, that distinction must be made.

 

[scooter1369]

Ohio State has 36 varsity sports. The most of any university in the nation. By comparison, Florida has 20.

From a 2007 USA Today article

Florida athletics director Jeremy Foley marvels, "I've got my hands full with 20 sports. I can't imagine how (Smith) does it with 36. …

"I just know that for me to add 15 or 16 sports and try to compete in all of them at the same level we do the 20 we have, we'd have to make a whole lot more money than we do right now."

When you have nearly double the number of varsity sports as the schools you are compared to, your secondary violations numbers will appear, on the surface, to be astronomical. But in reality, we likely have less violations per sport per year than most schools.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

But that math is incomplete because you aren't taking into account the size of each individual athletic department. Although I'd also have to ask if that '4000' number comes from just FBS schools or all schools under the NCAA umbrella



Again the 46 per year is ALL sports not just football, that distinction must be made.

I don't disagree- a better "context" would be to compare the number of violations against the number of programs "sponsored" by each school. Sadly, I'm not privy to that info.

Likewise - one has to assume that each athletic department is equal in finding secondary violations, determining that those events were violations... and so on.. point is.. there's a lot of "discretionary decisions" at play here too.

In other words - Ohio State may be of the mind "better safe than sorry" while Truck Driver U may be "Oh, come on.. what's the big fucking deal here?"

 

[NFBuck]

Cloaker

48.

 

[NFBuck]

From an article in the Dispatch from 9/15/11



If you do the math, 4,000/ 120 = 33 violations per year per school.

Unauthorized math. 49.

 

[NFBuck]

The Dispatch article I quoted but did not link noted that Florida and Oklahoma have 17 teams. Ohio State has 36
(linkage: Click Here Deety!)
From the Plain Dealer:

More unauthorized math. 50.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

48.

Unauthorized math. 49.

More unauthorized math. 50.

Your detailing of my unauthorized math is also a violation. 51 - Plus, Michigan is awarded one more play in the 2010 Michigan v. Sparty game. If Michigan fails to score, they will be afforded another play. This will continue until Michigan wins the game.

Have a nice day.