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Ohio State 75, Florida 84 (final - NC Game)

jwinslow;800781; said:
My favorite is when Antonio Henton returned punts last year... :bonk: Thanks for the heads up, I'll clean up their braindead caption. Lighty, Harris & Conley get mixed up constantly by the typists at AP/Getty.

No probs...keep up the (otherwise :biggrin: ) great work.
 
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ChrisWells28;800780; said:
Corey Brewer vs. Ron Lewis? Edge: Brewer barey FU
Taurean Green vs. Mike Conley Edge:Mike Conley OSU

Al Horford vs. Oden Edge: Oden if not in fould trouble OSU

Joakim Noah vs. Hunter/Oden Edge: depends whos guarding him but probably Noah if its Hunter. FU

Lee Humfrey vs. David Lighty/Jamar Butler Edge: Lighty/Butler OSU

Hard to find the matchups!
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FWIW

Corey Brewer vs. Ron Lewis? Brewer 18 points Lewis 9

Taurean Green vs. Mike Conley ? Green 24 Conley 13
Al Horford vs. Oden ? Horford 11 Oden 7

Joakim Noah vs. Hunter? Noah 7 Hunter 0

Lee Humfrey vs. David Lighty/Jamar Butler Humphrey 12 Lighty /Butler 13
 
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Best Buckeye;800703; said:
That makes it unanimous among all the experts or should. Not 1 in the last 5 hours I have been watching on ESPN has picked the Buckeyes. We might as well not show up. :biggrin:

One guy out of 9 (including Clark Kellogg) from CBS picked us:

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Tony Mejia, Staff WriterMejia is within striking distance to win the expert picks with three correct Final Four teams. His national title game pick was right on with Ohio State and Florida. Champion: Ohio State ?Mejia's Bracket (44-18, 127 points)

Entire article: http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/colle...tpicksom/collegebasketball/mayhem/expertpicks
 
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7Brutus7;800765; said:
*Championship game against a bitchy school from florida that is vastly favored over our boys
GET PUMPED:oh:

Bitchy school from Florida? We're not playing free shoes or Cryami. Noah may be a pain in the ass, but their fans who've come over here to agitate are certainly better behaved than Randy (We've got defensive tackles who can cover Ginn) from Austin way, or the line up of Harvard-of-the-West jive futhermuckers from SCUM. And let's not even talk about Notre Dame zealots.

I can't blame Gator fans for being confident anymore than they should have blamed us for being confident January 7. If you look at how these two teams have played, how much experience they have, size and speed, you'd have to conclude that Florida seems to hold an edge.

I like the Buckeyes chances and I intend to cheer my ass off, but if they win it's an upset, and if they lose, hey, it was a hell of a ride by a young and exciting team. I couldn't be prouder.
 
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Bitchy school from Florida? We're not playing free shoes or Cryami. Noah may be a pain in the ass, but their fans who've come over here to agitate are certainly better behaved than Randy (We've got defensive tackles who can cover Ginn) from Austin way, or the line up of Harvard-of-the-West jive futhermuckers from SCUM. And let's not even talk about Notre Dame zealots.

I can't blame Gator fans for being confident anymore than they should have blamed us for being confident January 7. If you look at how these two teams have played, how much experience they have, size and speed, you'd have to conclude that Florida seems to hold an edge.

I like the Buckeyes chances and I intend to cheer my ass off, but if they win it's an upset, and if they lose, hey, it was a hell of a ride by a young and exciting team. I couldn't be prouder.



okay how bout a team from the state of Florida that not many of us Buckeye fans like? I personally have nothing Florida's basketball team besides for Noah who I honestly just want to kick in his testicles/vagina but that wasnt even the point of the post
 
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Well, we're up to post # 173 on this thread, so I suppose somebody should try to actually analyze this game.

I. Strengths and Weaknesses:

Florida has the following strengths that OSU has to worry about most:

1. Exceptional overall team ball movement from all positions which results in superior offensive balance and makes them difficult to pressure in the half-court. They lead the country in FG percentage and shoot 40% from behind the arc NOT because they're outstanding pure shooters (except for Humphrey), but because they take the right shots at the right times).

2. Exceptional offensive rebounding and second-chance scoring: They're big and strong and because their ball movement leads them to take good shots and gets defenders out of position trying to catch up, they're typically in position to hit the offensive glass.

3. Defensive recovery and intimidation: It seems like a lot of teams can get into the lane against UF, but few can finish with consistency. Their help defenders block and alter a lot of shots and seem to have an uncanny knack for doing so without having fouls called on them (I think it's good fundamentals whereby they foul with their hips and keep their arms straight up but I'd have to slow down film to be sure).

4. Experience.

They have the following weaknesses (or at least non-strengths) that possibly can be exploited:

1. So-so ball handling: While UF PASSES exceptionally well as a team, their guards are not great ball handlers and they actually turn the ball over more than one might think. This results in part from:

2. Not as much quickness as most people think. UF's ability to pass exceptionally well as a team and to thereby keep defenses off balance with great execution makes them seem quicker than they are. I believe OSU can limit UF's dribble penetration with straight man-to-man defense on the perimeter by Butler and Conley.

OSU has the following strengths that UF has to worry about most:

1. Exceptional ball handling and perimeter quickness: Even now, many don't understand how truly great Mike Conley is, and Butler handles the ball as well as many PGs in the game. Having Ron Lewis as a second dribble-drive option against the bigger Gators is also a potential advantage. The Bucks don't turn the ball over much and steal it quite a bit.

2. Oden . . . if he gets to play. When he's on the floor, he can clean up offensive misses in the paint when UF tries to intimidate Conley and Lewis after dribble penetration. He can score over anyone UF can guard him with, and, most importantly, he allows other OSU defenders to stay at home.

The Bucks have the following weaknesses that possibly can be exploited:

1. An absence of interior defensive presence when Oden's out of the game. OSU survived this vs. Georgetown, but I don't believe that they can do so against UF.

2. Occasional defensive lapses in spotting perimeter shooters.

3. Defensive balance in transition. OSU depends heavily on dribble penetration, which leaves them vulnerable to fast breaks when they don't finish those drives with hoops or harm.

II. Narrative analysis:

I consider this to be a pick 'em kind of game. UF thrives on balance, so the biggest keys defensively for OSU IMO are defensive discipline and the willingness to make a conscious choice to take something specific away . . . even if you have to give up more of something else. Specifically, I think the Bucks need to take away the three-point shooting of Humphrey and Green even if that opens things up more for UF in the paint. I would come out in a straight man-to-man defense, play soft on Noah except when he's on the block and insist that everyone stick to and block out their man rather than trying to block shots upon dribble penetration: Let 'em have a few lay-ups if they can dribble drive but take away the threes, the second chances, and Noah's passing: Maybe Noah or Brewer can beat the Bucks with outside shooting, but I'd rather take my chances with that than with other options. Assuming UF starts beating the man-to-man inside, mix things up with the matchup 2-3 zone, and the junk combo defense I think could be very effective in this game: The triangle and two. I'd also use a bit of man-to-man full-court pressure just to knock them a bit off-kilter without really risking much. The key isn't so much to stop UF, but to not overreact to their passing and thereby allow them high-percentage shots and to make them think just enough to slow their ball movement, mess up their rhythm, and make them a bit tentative.

Offensively, the key for OSU is getting positive results from dribble penetration. When Conley and Lewis take it into the lane they must go STRONG and either score or force UF to foul. Same with transition opportunities: UF is masterful into turning an opponent's fast break or dribble penetration into a blocked/altered shot and quick points the other way by stifling the drive with intimidating help defense in the paint . . . and the Bucks cannot allow themselves to be intimidated.

If I'm UF, I'd try to bully the Bucks until the refs tell me I can't. I'd go right at Oden to get him out of the game and then let Horford and Brewer abuse Hunter and Terwilliger. I'd pound it inside early and hope the Bucks get frustrated enough to double the post and leave either three-point shooters or offensive rebounders open. Defensively, I'd mug dribble penetrators until the refs tell me I can't. If the Bucks are successful at dribble penetration early, I'd trap Conley, make him give up the ball, and hope Butler, Harris, and Lewis, are cold.

In a word, the key here for OSU is PATIENCE: A Horford power dunk may seem demoralizing, but is still just two-points and may not require adjustments (see Hibbert yesterday). UF spurts because teams start chasing them around, and OSU needs to just be rock-solid and make them earn everything.
 
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jwinslow;800758; said:
That's not the point. Anyone would love to be on top in both sports, but that doesn't mean we want to trade spots with you. Had OSU won in football in january & completed the sweep this monday, would you be weeping and wishing you were a buckeye fan? Or would you be darn proud of your program, and see the extremely bright future with Meyer & Donovan, assuming they stick around?

That is the point. The originial quote was not about changing what school you cheer for, it was about changing the position UF is currently in with the position tOSU is currently in. UF's position is having the last two major college sports title with a chance to take three straight. If anyone would think about changing their school based simply on two games (even if they are championship games) is the epitome of a bandwagon fan.

The FB/BB reversals continue, even here. The gator nation & team played up the disrespect angle so heavily in the football season, that hearing their comments you'd think everyone was calling for them to give up their football program. The reality was far more docile than what MANY claimed/embraced. Credit Meyer for exploiting this avenue, but it was certainly blown out of proportion.

I think thats because you are looking at it as an OSU fan. I don't think anything being said about your bball team is all that bad, but I have orange and blue glasses. In reality, the things are probably close to the same (but slightly less for you guys because its a day not a month). To read this board you would think ESPN (who LOVES the Big Ten and refuses to give any SEC team not a defending champion any credit, like us all season long in football) was calling for your program to be shut down.

Flashback to December. I sign up on a UF board, tell you how great we are, how you wish you were us... and suggest biting your pillow to get through the impending doom in Glendale. I highly doubt you would take kindly to that.

If you would have joined any of the boards I'm a member of (depending on how you rephrased it) a discussion like this would happen. Join many of several other Gator boards and you would have been immediately banned or a flame war would have started. Every school has all of those types of boards, you just have to find the right place and wording to state your case.

I imagine you and planet share similar views. However, you conduct yourself in a much more civilized & tactful manner on BUCKEYEplanet, and the reception is notably different.

Planet and I are on several boards together and agree most of the time. In this case he and I are agreeing again, his message was just misconstrued by many of your members, including you. Scroll thru the thread, I've stated the same thing I did here many times. Again, reception depends on the board. I don't know if you were saying that hypothetically or if that did happen about Decemeber. It sounds like something that would happen on Swamp Gas where Gator Alum get banned for saying Chris Leak had a bad game.
 
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players like noah are good for college basketball. sometimes we forget that these guys are still kids; i watch his theatrics and wonder if he as any idea that he is nothing but a poor-man's anderson varejao. its perversely amusing kinda like watching borat.
 
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OHIO STATE IS GOING TO WIN THIS GAME. WE ARE GOING TO PROVE EVERYONE WRONG. WE ARE GOING TO WIN WITH OUR GUARDS, SENIOR LEADERSHIP AND DEFENSE. MIKE CONLEY IS OUR BEST FRESHMAN AND OUR BEST PLAYER. HE HAS LED US THE WHOLE WAY. MVP!!! I AM NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM GREG BUT MIKE HAS BEEN OVERRATED THIS WHOLE SEASON. I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THE GAME TOMORROW!!!
GO BUCKS!!!
BEAT FLORIDA!!!
 
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BeanieWells28;800824; said:
OHIO STATE IS GOING TO WIN THIS GAME. WE ARE GOING TO PROVE EVERYONE WRONG. WE ARE GOING TO WIN WITH OUR GUARDS, SENIOR LEADERSHIP AND DEFENSE. MIKE CONLEY IS OUR BEST FRESHMAN AND OUR BEST PLAYER. HE HAS LED US THE WHOLE WAY. MVP!!! I AM NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM GREG BUT MIKE HAS BEEN OVERRATED THIS WHOLE SEASON. I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THE GAME TOMORROW!!!
GO BUCKS!!!
BEAT FLORIDA!!!
You mean underrated.:wink2:
 
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I think thats because you are looking at it as an OSU fan. I don't think anything being said about your bball team is all that bad, but I have orange and blue glasses. In reality, the things are probably close to the same (but slightly less for you guys because its a day not a month). To read this board you would think ESPN (who LOVES the Big Ten and refuses to give any SEC team not a defending champion any credit, like us all season long in football) was calling for your program to be shut down.
And nothing that bad was said about Florida by Herbie, he merely preferred UM slightly over UF, yet he was villified as the devil by far too many.

The title game matchup is only set in stone for a day, but the 'media darling' angle is hardly a recent thing. I still find it comical that Noah went on a rant about all the haters, when 99% of the season, everyone has had UF pegged as the eventual champs... even when they were playing sloppy bball during the SEC season. aTm & Georgetown were picked to beat OSU by 90% of talking heads.

In reality, both fanbases have blown the 'hatred' way out of proportion. In FB, OSU was the favorite & UF had more questionmarks, and vice versa in bb, for good reason. The teams that showed up in Glendale were vastly different than the in-season squads that generated such judgments. Likewise, the team that got crushed in Gainesville would lose by 15-20 by the team playing on monday night, as Conley, Oden, Lighty, Lewis, Terwilliger & even Matta have matured greatly.
If you would have joined any of the boards I'm a member of (depending on how you rephrased it) a discussion like this would happen. Join many of several other Gator boards and you would have been immediately banned or a flame war would have started. Every school has all of those types of boards, you just have to find the right place and wording to state your case.
Exactly, and he chose terrible wording to express himself. You glazed right over the main problem.

Telling OSU fans to bite the pillow and endure the upcoming beatdown is not a civilized way to conduct yourself, and will taint everything else that is typed.
 
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Jagdaddy, Seems like you broke it down pretty well.

Taking away our 3's is probably OSU's best bet, but we can get it done inside too. We don't normally bc we don't have to. Our boys like to stretch the court, they like to run and go baseline to baseline fast. Most teams don't have the conditioning/depth to play that way for long. Those are the points I feel you missed. I don't know enough about your team to do a long list about them, I watched then on Dec 23rd and in the post-season, so I don't even know how deep you are at guard (my love is football, basketball is just a bonus to me).

If your boys can run, I know they are pretty fast (minus Oden) then it should be a very close game.

The full court press is not something we have seen or done too much this year. When teams have attempted it, Noah always seems to break free (bc he's quick and usually guarded by a big thats not so fast). It may be the Hortford (being matched up with Oden) would be the key to breaking your press.

Our guards don't like to drive to the hoop. They stay out and wait for the shot or the start to drive and pass it inside (usually to be dished back out for a 3).

UCLA had two men on Hortford to prevent him from scoring in the paint. Earlier in the season lot of teams tried to take away our 3's, so the big men got it done on the inside. I think (and I'm sure I'm basised) that we have too many scoring weapons that shutting one down does not usually affect our game too much. UCLA took Hortford out, look at Brewer's numbers. The team is too much about US and not about ME.

The best chance any team has for turn overs against us is if Noah is bring the ball down. That man can not run with the ball. I could defend him, reach in and get it (ok, maybe not me, but you get the idea).

Rebounds, I think Florida has the advantage off the glass. As long as Hortford gets his body on Oden and boxes him out, Noah or Brewer or Richard (even though in my opinion Richard's would be better for UF to have on Oden) will still be there to get it.

I think our other big men will be hard for your team to handle. Simply by numbers. If we have all three Noah, Hortford and Richard in, who will match up against all three? Noah is the smallest of the three as far as thickness goes. That is one thing I expect to see a lot of from Billy D. If those three and Brewer are in the game, height will give you guys a real problem. We would dominate inside and you would have to leave Brewer or Green (most likely) open outside the arc.

I know thats a lot of "What the Gators are great" but I wouldn't be able to talk intelligently about the Buckeyes, I just haven't watched them enough.

From the time the brackets were announced, this is the match up I wanted, but I never expected it would happen (my horrible bracket will tell you that). I didn't expect us to get back to the final. I was thinking Final Four, anything past that is great. But...now that we are in the Championship game I'm expecting a repeat. Mostly just so they will stop saying "It hasn't been done since Duke back in..." I hate Duke! Next year I don't want to hear "The Gators had a chance last year...no one has repeated since Dook..."

Goodluck and Go Gators!
 
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