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Game Thread Ohio State 34, Minnesota 21 (Sep. 27)

stpaulgoph;1273871; said:
Garbage points? If tOSU doesnt want them then stop em.

Like I posted elsewhere, would you haved wanted Tressel and co to take a knee down by 30 + in Los Angeles? Or would you have wanted the Bucks to score?

Its garbage points if its against your team, but "hustle and a never say die attitude" if its your boys scoring :shake:

Minney had 2nd stringers playing on O-line and at WR (true frosh) on the last two scoring drives.

Give an opponent a little credit. Perhaps a bit much to expect on here? :ohwell:

Of course we wanted OSU to score more points against USC, even in an eventual loss, but they still would have been "garbage points". But as with you guys today, they may have made us feel a little better on the long ride home.
 
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BayBuck;1274017; said:
Of course we wanted OSU to score more points against USC, even in an eventual loss, but they still would have been "garbage points". But as with you guys today, they may have made us feel a little better on the long ride home.

I for one really wanted them to put TP in for a full series earlier in that game. Had he lead a TD drive or two, that certainly would have been lift to many fans looking to the future (and by future I am including the rest of this season).
 
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A few thoughts....

1) This is the kind of game that pisses off the fans ... but the coaches love. We're thinking that the final outcome should have been about 55-6 ... but they're happy that they got to play all three QB's, all three TB's, and 66 players altogether ... got to experiment with a number of different plays and "looks" on both sides of the ball ... and came away relatively injury-free in a "tune-up" game.

2) I've seen lots of comments about lack of "pressure" and "attacking" from the defense, but spread offenses force the defense to play more a more "reactive" style of football. And the Buckeye defense played the spread perfectly through three quarters, allowing just 6 points and 150 yards.

In the final quarter, with the game well in hand, the 2nd- and 3rd-teamers gave up 15 points and 149 yards on two long drives ... neither of which would have resulted in points if Minny hadn't converted on three 4th-downs (all of which saw Ohio State applying pressure ... but blowing containment) ... and one very questionable "reception" in the back of the end zone.

So, if you were the coach, what would you rather see - the first string holding the Gophers to single digits ... or the reserves getting playing time and almost shutting down a pretty potent offense? Seems to me that youngsters gaining playing time against a quality opponent - and the chance to learn from their mistakes - was more valuable than a lop-sided scoreboard.

BTW, Nathan Williams proved that flying around with reckless abandon looks great to us fans on game day ... but not so great in the film room the following week. On two of the fourth-down conversions, Williams charged inside and nearly got to the QB ... right before the QB reversed his field and found nobody home. He'll learn....

3) The offensive line looked much better overall. Brewster whiffed on a block or two, but he's still learning - a future All American if he continues to progress like he has so far. Cordle seems much more comfortable at guard ... and Ben Person played his best game in a long time ... much more mobile than he has been so far this season. Boone was average. Browning is a reserve next season.

Two false starts with Boeckman in the game - are the OL a little bit more nervous when TB is behind center? Are they trying to set up too quickly, knowing that TB needs more time to throw and doesn't have TP's escapability?

4) Beanie is the man - enjoy it while it lasts.

Herron is a solid, dependable back-up ... and he should be for the remainder of his tOSU career.

Saine is completely lost. Here's an example - it's the fourth quarter, and Pryor is back in the game. First down: Pryor runs for 21 yards. First down: Pryor rolls left for 11 yards (the play where he shoved the defender into the bench) - Saine holds, negating the big gain and making it first and 20. First down: Saine runs very tenatively and gains just two yards. Second down: Saine whiffs in pass protection, Pryor is forced to throw the ball away. Third down: Pryor completes a short pass to Lamaar Thomas. Punt. Not a good way to earn playing time.

Jaamal Berry could very well be the starter from day one....

5) Pryor was a little bit less sharp this week, but his receivers were far better. Robo had his "A" game going - that will be needed from here on out. I love how Pryor always looks "pass first" even at his young age, unlike some other big-name "dual-threat" QB's (Troy Smith, Michael Vick, Vince Young) who too often looked to make plays with their feet early in their careers (and Vick never really learned how to stay in the pocket). Even on the move, TP is looking down the field to see if someone comes open.

Boeckman was solid - good to see. He can still win games for this team, if he has to.

6) On offense, I wish that Ohio State would pick a "scheme" and just go with it. It frustrates me to see I-formation on first down, and shotgun-four wides on second down ... with the "Pony" and various other sets thrown in seemingly at random. I guess the notion is to confuse the defense ... but more often than not, the formation telegraphs the play. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I seem to recall many of the dynasties of the past using one formation (with slight variations, of course) almost exclusively - Oklahoma of the 70's (wishbone), Miami of the 80's-90's (single back, three wides), Nebraska of the 90's (I-formation), Southern Cal of the 00's (pro style)....

I've got to believe that this staff is still experiementing a bit in order to find an offensive "identity" ... and that eventually we'll see some version of the "spread/zone option" as the base offense.

7) The place kicking needs to improve. Period.

8) Overall, another step in the right direction ... but the staff will continue to take a load of crap because the Buckeyes didn't go "Oklahoma" on team that they could've beaten by forty....
 
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LordJeffBuck;1274050; said:
A few thoughts....

1) This is the kind of game that [censored]es off the fans ... but the coaches love. We're thinking that the final outcome should have been about 55-6 ... but they're happy that they got to play all three QB's, all three TB's, and 66 players altogether ... got to experiment with a number of different plays and "looks" on both sides of the ball ... and came away relatively injury-free in a "tune-up" game.

2) I've seen lots of comments about lack of "pressure" and "attacking" from the defense, but spread offenses force the defense to play more a more "reactive" style of football. And the Buckeye defense played the spread perfectly through three quarters, allowing just 6 points and 150 yards.

In the final quarter, with the game well in hand, the 2nd- and 3rd-teamers gave up 15 points and 149 yards on two long drives ... neither of which would have resulted in points if Minny hadn't converted on three 4th-downs (all of which saw Ohio State applying pressure ... but blowing containment) ... and one very questionable "reception" in the back of the end zone.

So, if you were the coach, what would you rather see - the first string holding the Gophers to single digits ... or the reserves getting playing time and almost shutting down a pretty potent offense? Seems to me that youngsters gaining playing time against a quality opponent - and the chance to learn from their mistakes - was more valuable than a lop-sided scoreboard.

BTW, Nathan Williams proved that flying around with reckless abandon looks great to us fans on game day ... but not so great in the film room the following week. On two of the fourth-down conversions, Williams charged inside and nearly got to the QB ... right before the QB reversed his field and found nobody home. He'll learn....

3) The offensive line looked much better overall. Brewster whiffed on a block or two, but he's still learning - a future All American if he continues to progress like he has so far. Cordle seems much more comfortable at guard ... and Ben Person played his best game in a long time ... much more mobile than he has been so far this season. Boone was average. Browning is a reserve next season.

Two false starts with Boeckman in the game - are the OL a little bit more nervous when TB is behind center? Are they trying to set up too quickly, knowing that TB needs more time to throw and doesn't have TP's escapability?

4) Beanie is the man - enjoy it while it lasts.

Herron is a solid, dependable back-up ... and he should be for the remainder of his tOSU career.

Saine is completely lost. Here's an example - it's the fourth quarter, and Pryor is back in the game. First down: Pryor runs for 21 yards. First down: Pryor rolls left for 11 yards (the play where he shoved the defender into the bench) - Saine holds, negating the big gain and making it first and 20. First down: Saine runs very tenatively and gains just two yards. Second down: Saine whiffs in pass protection, Pryor is forced to throw the ball away. Third down: Pryor completes a short pass to Lamaar Thomas. Punt. Not a good way to earn playing time.

Jaamal Berry could very well be the starter from day one....

5) Pryor was a little bit less sharp this week, but his receivers were far better. Robo had his "A" game going - that will be needed from here on out. I love how Pryor always looks "pass first" even at his young age, unlike some other big-name "dual-threat" QB's (Troy Smith, Michael Vick, Vince Young) who too often looked to make plays with their feet early in their careers (and Vick never really learned how to stay in the pocket). Even on the move, TP is looking down the field to see if someone comes open.

Boeckman was solid - good to see. He can still win games for this team, if he has to.

6) On offense, I wish that Ohio State would pick a "scheme" and just go with it. It frustrates me to see I-formation on first down, and shotgun-four wides on second down ... with the "Pony" and various other sets thrown in seemingly at random. I guess the notion is to confuse the defense ... but more often than not, the formation telegraphs the play. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I seem to recall many of the dynasties of the past using one formation (with slight variations, of course) almost exclusively - Oklahoma of the 70's (wishbone), Miami of the 80's-90's (single back, three wides), Nebraska of the 90's (I-formation), Southern Cal of the 00's (pro style)....

I've got to believe that this staff is still experiementing a bit in order to find an offensive "identity" ... and that eventually we'll see some version of the "spread/zone option" as the base offense.

7) The place kicking needs to improve. Period.

8) Overall, another step in the right direction ... but the staff will continue to take a load of crap because the Buckeyes didn't go "Oklahoma" on team that they could've beaten by forty....

Ive been talking about #6 for awhile.. we slow ourselves down.. if we used zone read option with Pryor every down and play action off it, we'd have put up 50 on Sota

I also disagree about Nate Williams.. i didnt think he played reckless.. i thought it was great pressure, and the plays you are talkin about were great individual efforts by Adam Weber to get loose..
 
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stpaulgoph;1273871; said:
Garbage points? If tOSU doesnt want them then stop em.

Like I posted elsewhere, would you haved wanted Tressel and co to take a knee down by 30 + in Los Angeles? Or would you have wanted the Bucks to score?

Its garbage points if its against your team, but "hustle and a never say die attitude" if its your boys scoring :shake:

Minney had 2nd stringers playing on O-line and at WR (true frosh) on the last two scoring drives.

Give an opponent a little credit. Perhaps a bit much to expect on here? :ohwell:

I'm with you. As a fan, it was painful watching Minny covert on all of those 4th downs.

I know a "win is a win" but in an age of college football, where upsets happen every single week, placement in the polls means something. Those drives where we were unable to get stops, mean UF will be ranked ahead of OSU on Monday.

I think it's a positive sign for Brewster that the kids kept fighting deep intot he 4th quarter when the game was basically over. I don't think you'd see a past Minny team even be able to do that b/c they were so run oriented anyways.

Count me as one that's pissed OSU didn't step on their throat and win by a massive margin.
 
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Buck Kid 66;1274087; said:
He is a red shirt freshmen. Still learning and developing. I think he will be the starter next year. :osu:

RoscoeParrish;1274093; said:
LJB,

Why can't Boom be a damn fine starter at RB next year? I know he isn't Beanie, but he looks like a Pittman-like back to me.

Thanks.
Eh, maybe I've been spoiled with MoC and Beanie these past few years, but I just don't see "it" with Herron. It looks like he's running hard and making pretty good reads (unlike Saine), but Herron just can't seem to turn the 3-yard runs into 7-yard runs, which is what separates the good backs from the great backs ... and keeps offenses in 2nd-and short instead of 2nd-and-long. Beanie has great power and is surprisingly nimble and very fast for a man his size ... and MoC had unreal vision and timing to go along with great leg drive and body lean ... and he had moves that could make DB's look positively silly in the open field. But what quality does Herron have that takes him to the next level?

Herron is a poor man's Pittman ... and Pittman wasn't all that great ... he was the beneficiary of a very potent offense that had two great individual playmakers (Smith, Ginn) that kept defenses very honest ... not to mention a really solid offensive line.

Was Ohio State a great tailabck away from a national championship in 1996 (Pepe Pearson) and 1998 (Michael Wiley)? I'd sure hate to see the Buckeyes in that position again in 2009 and 2010 with Herron and/or Saine....
 
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billmac91;1274113; said:
Count me as one that's pissed OSU didn't step on their throat and win by a massive margin.

It was pretty obvious from my seat in section 37AA Row 14 that if JT wanted to drop the hammer on Minny and win by 35+ he could have done it.

Instead it became a live practice, both on offense and on defense with the two trash time TDs.....
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1274134; said:
It was pretty obvious from my seat in section 37AA Row 14 that if JT wanted to drop the hammer on Minny and win by 35+ he could have done it.

Instead it became a live practice, both on offense and on defense with the two trash time TDs.....

Which bothers me to a degree.....the defense got burned for late scores and the end result is a final score that looks much closer than it was.

OSU may have cost itself 3 or 4 spots in the polls come Monday by not dropping the hammer. It's very premature to think like that, but would rather be a one loss team in front of UF or a 1 loss team behind UF?

We had a chance to have ESPN and every other media outlet start the discussion on how good we can be with Terrelle and Beanie, and the defense is starting to gel....but that won't be the case nearly as much had we won by 40+.

Don't get me wrong, they played great today. I just would have liked to see them own the scoreboard like they owned the game. As is, hundreds of voters now have a reason to keep us on the fringe of the top 10.
 
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Buck Kid 66;1274098; said:
You still have to keep some kind of contain when your rushing the QB and he wasn't doing that.

I disagree.. it wasnt like he was just pinning his ears back and running too far up field. He was actually getting his hands on the QB or in his face consistently and making Weber vacate the pocket..

Just my opinion, but i didnt think he was overpursuing
 
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