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Game Thread Ohio State 3, Southern Cal 35 (Sept. 13)

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EidoloN;1258386; said:
I totally disagree, there is no innocent until proven guilty here, the dude has been CHARGED with a FELONY. Not "a suspect", not "affiliated", he is CHARGED. Not a misdemeanor, FELONY. Ray Small was right, its all about football over there, its about life over here.
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First of all, let's not jump to conclusions. Anyone remember the Sanchez rape allegations? Did those turn out to be true? Let's wait for this thing to unfold.

Secondly, I won't get into a debate about SC's institutional control but I will say that Carroll cares alot about the image of the program and his own image as a coach. If he felt that Wright was in serious trouble with the law, he'd bench him.

I sincerely hope this won't degenerate into mudslinging between both sides as to whose program is cleaner. SC, like most elite schools, has had players who have had problems with the law. Overall though, this is not a program with a serious lack of institutional control like Miami or Florida State in the nineties or Penn State right now. Let's just cool our jets, take a step back and see if we can debate this calmly.
 
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troy#1;1258383; said:
Did they let him go, and then charge him with a dui days later? Not the same thing. Trust me, when I lived in cali, the cops dont let you go for nothing! If they even thought he was remotely involved, they arrest him and let the judge figure it out. If, and thats a big if, he is guilty, he will be dealt with. I know most dont believe that, but he will be in trouble.
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It is suspicious. It tells me that the cop didn't arrest him when he should have. Why not?
Again, he has been charged with a FELONY. Your coach then offers this up:
"I spoke to him and got his side. I'm not going to punish him."

So Shareece's side is good enough for Pete, but the DA still felt there was cause enough to charge him with a felony. Doesn't that sound bad to you at all as a USC fan??
 
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ysubuck;1258396; said:
It is suspicious. It tells me that the cop didn't arrest him when he should have. Why not?
Again, he has been charged with a FELONY. Your coach then offers this up:
"I spoke to him and got his side. I'm not going to punish him."

So Shareece's side is good enough for Pete, but the DA still felt there was cause enough to charge him with a felony. Doesn't that sound bad to you at all as a USC fan??
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I totally agree! When a DA charges someone, that person is absolutely GUILTY!

Signed,

Mike Nifong


Seriously guys, can we let this play out before throwing out damning accusations? Please?
 
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Kurt Sexington;1258393; said:
First of all, let's not jump to conclusions. Anyone remember the Sanchez rape allegations? Did those turn out to be true? Let's wait for this thing to unfold.

Secondly, I won't get into a debate about SC's institutional control but I will say that Carroll cares alot about the image of the program and his own image as a coach. If he felt that Wright was in serious trouble with the law, he'd bench him.

I sincerely hope this won't degenerate into mudslinging between both sides as to whose program is cleaner. SC, like most elite schools, has had players who have had problems with the law. Overall though, this is not a program with a serious lack of institutional control like Miami or Florida State in the nineties or Penn State right now. Let's just cool our jets, take a step back and see if we can debate this calmly.
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Thanks for being so rational. If I was in your shoes I'd probably not be so nice, but that's why I'm here and not on the USC board :)

The reality is, he is playing tonight, and more information will come out later about the exact situation to let us know how justified that decision was. As a snap judgment, I don't agree with Petey's approach, but we'll be able to come to more solid conclusions later that we just can't come to now.
 
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Kurt Sexington;1258393; said:
First of all, let's not jump to conclusions. Anyone remember the Sanchez rape allegations? Did those turn out to be true? Let's wait for this thing to unfold.

Secondly, I won't get into a debate about SC's institutional control but I will say that Carroll cares alot about the image of the program and his own image as a coach. If he felt that Wright was in serious trouble with the law, he'd bench him.

I sincerely hope this won't degenerate into mudslinging between both sides as to whose program is cleaner. SC, like most elite schools, has had players who have had problems with the law. Overall though, this is not a program with a serious lack of institutional control like Miami or Florida State in the nineties or Penn State right now. Let's just cool our jets, take a step back and see if we can debate this calmly.
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I didn't mean to debate on which program was cleaner, sorry about that bro.

It is obvious that something went down that night that shouldn't have. I do not remember the Sanchez "allegations", but if it was "allegations", that is totally different from being CHARGED. PC shouldn't just base what happened off of what a player says. If it wasn't that bad or he wasn't in the wrong, then there wouldn't have been a charge. A player needs to be held accountable for the decisions he/she makes, that even means being in the wrong place at the wrong time. This is all an opinion, not bashing or program debate intended.
 
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bluechillj;1258401; said:
Thanks for being so rational. If I was in your shoes I'd probably not be so nice, but that's why I'm here and not on the USC board :)

The reality is, he is playing tonight, and more information will come out later about the exact situation to let us know how justified that decision was. As a snap judgment, I don't agree with Petey's approach, but we'll be able to come to more solid conclusions later about that we just can't come to now.
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If it comes out the Wright was absolutely guilty of what he was charged of and that there was no reason to believe his side of the story, I will be very, very disappointed with Carroll, believe you me. Until then, however, I'll try to mirror the US Justice system and treat Wright as innocent until proven otherwise.
 
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Come tommorrow I want to see that 76% feeling dumb about their choice...







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EidoloN;1258402; said:
I didn't mean to debate on which program was cleaner, sorry about that bro.

It is obvious that something went down that night that shouldn't have. I do not remember the Sanchez "allegations", but if it was "allegations", that is totally different from being CHARGED. PC shouldn't just base what happened off of what a player says. If it wasn't that bad or he wasn't in the wrong, then there wouldn't have been a charge. A player needs to be held accountable for the decisions he/she makes, that even means being in the wrong place at the wrong time. This is all an opinion, not bashing or program debate intended.
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As I said in my above post, I don't for a minute believe that since Carroll has cleared Wright, he's automatically innocent. I don't know Carroll personally and therefore I can't judge his moral stature. All I'm saying is that these things are almost always more nuanced than they first appear because they are often leaked by the press who almost never tell the full story.

I know that as Buckeye fans who look at this and say "Come on!" and frankly, I can understand where you are coming from. That is why I urged everyone to step back and come at it from a neutral point of view.
 
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Kurt Sexington;1258393; said:
First of all, let's not jump to conclusions. Anyone remember the Sanchez rape allegations? Did those turn out to be true? Let's wait for this thing to unfold.

Secondly, I won't get into a debate about SC's institutional control but I will say that Carroll cares alot about the image of the program and his own image as a coach. If he felt that Wright was in serious trouble with the law, he'd bench him.

I sincerely hope this won't degenerate into mudslinging between both sides as to whose program is cleaner. SC, like most elite schools, has had players who have had problems with the law. Overall though, this is not a program with a serious lack of institutional control like Miami or Florida State in the nineties or Penn State right now. Let's just cool our jets, take a step back and see if we can debate this calmly.
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I'm talking about this specific instance.
Wright has been charged with a felony so he IS in serious trouble with the law. USC is thin at CB and is playing a huge game this weekend. Nobody hears a thing about their starting CB getting charged with a felony until 7 hours before the game. That doesn't seem strange to you?
I'm not mud slinging. I'm tired of the pass that Pete Carroll seems to get from the national media. That's not his fault. It's how it is. But it pisses me off. We saw our coach get dragged through the mud for two years based on allegations of a known liar and others who had an axe to grind with Ohio State. espin called for Jim Tressel's job on a nationally televised broadcast of an Ohio State bowl game based on Troy Smith taking $500 from a booster. Teflon Pete has his Heisman back and his family receive hundreds of thousands from an agent and nothing. Now this? Like I said, if an Ohio State player jay walks it's on espns front page 15 minutes after it happens. This just stinks is all. And Wright should be suspended until the process plays out. If Pete's so concerned about his image then how will it look if Wright is guilty and he let him play the whole season?
 
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Kurt Sexington;1258405; said:
If it comes out the Wright was absolutely guilty of what he was charged of and that there was no reason to believe his side of the story, I will be very, very disappointed with Carroll, believe you me. Until then, however, I'll try to mirror the US Justice system and treat Wright as innocent until proven otherwise.
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Of course you'll be all smiles if your best corner helps in chalking up a win...


but yeah, still dissapointed in Ol' petey...
 
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