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Game Thread Ohio at tOSU, Sat Sep 18, 12 ET, BTN/Overflow

The funniest part: Even with his little-brother spin; Ohio State still comes out looking better than FredOU.

And the tacit admission that OU wanted to be the state's land grant university, while still using the "A&M" as a passive-aggressive insult: priceless.

JeffreyDahmer2;1771232; said:
Ohio wasn't even a state until March of 1803; so it's fair to discard the American Western name. The University's name was changed 11 months after statehood. It probably took that much time to Pony Express the proper paperwork between Athens and Washington. As far as Guv'nor Hayes is concerned... I find it more than coincidental that he was an outspoken advocate for A&M, helped found A&M, and denied land grant opportunities to Ohio University?

That's not the only break you guys got. The Eagleson Bill of 1906 locked out all of Ohio's public universities from doctoral education and research except The Ohio State University. (Why this was good for the state blows my mind, but probably not those in Columbus) Six years later the Big 10 picked up the Buckeyes. The Big Ten Conference is comprised of world-class academic institutions who share a common mission of research, graduate, professional and undergraduate teaching and public service. If no one in Ohio was allowed to conduct research or graduate education in the state of Ohio except Ohio State of course the Big 10 chose them. They wanted Ohio's population and rich football history as a state to be a part of their conference.

I know you guys don't like to play in the past because of all of the recent successes in Columbus so I'll let you know the Eagleson Bill is obviously no longer legal and Ohio University is #1 in the state in research royalties (which means we invent stuff that makes money) and Ohio University had a Nobel Prize Winner in 2009.

Without some critical legislation early in OUr state's history, Ohio University might have been the shepherd for all of these sheep.
 
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A tip from Douglas Adams for those of you with DirecTV: Don't Panic.


If you check the guide so as to DVR the game, you will notice that Denard Robinson's heroics have bumped Ohio State from the main BTN channel this weekend. As I type this, DirecTV has not yet updated the guide with the correct overflow information, so I just about shit a Buckeye tree. According to the current listing, the OSU-OU game is not covered.

BUT: I went to the GameFinder at the BTN's web-site and discovered that the game is scheduled for overflow channel 611-1 (HD), which the guide still shows as TBA.

God is in his heaven and all is right with the world (and I won't have to kill anyone).

Man is this a far cry from the old-days when most games were only available on the radio. We're spoiled, but in a good way.
 
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JeffreyDahmer2;1771232; said:
That's not the only break you guys got. The Eagleson Bill of 1906 locked out all of Ohio's public universities from doctoral education and research except The Ohio State University. (Why this was good for the state blows my mind, but probably not those in Columbus)

I can see why this could be the case, my guess is that it was probably so not to dilute incoming research funds. A single $2M endowment is better than four $500k endowments spread across four separate universities, especially when they are in competition. It makes more sense than not, especially if you want your state to become known as a research leader (for business development, population growth, etc.). To be the research leader, you need big science (or engineering, or civics, or medicine, whatever), and for the big stuff, you need to concentrate that money.

I'm sure politics had a role in why Ohio State was chosen and I would certainly understand why any of the other schools in the state might not like the idea so much.
 
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First, I'd like to congratulate you on that Nobel winning alum. That means that all 12 of The Other State Universities combined now have exactly half as many Nobel Laureate alumni as their glorious Flagship University in Columbus.

As for the little bit of patent and royalty money that OU makes on its research, that just shows that you are in the B (or C) leagues. Ohio State's research (720 million dollars last year/9th most of any public or private university) is focused on the more prestigious primary research. That's why Ohio State physicists are part of the CERN team working on the fundamental questions of string theory and quantum dynamics or why our astronomers--working at the Arizona observatory that we co-own with the University of Chicago, the Max Plank Institute and the Vatican--are doing fundamental research into the formation of the galaxy. We'll leave inventing the better mousetrap or perfecting the next leap forward in plunger technology to our little brother schools.

As for those decisions favoring Ohio State's development, did it ever occur to you that the reason FredOU and Fredo of Ohio were passed over was not out of some great conspiracy to keep them down but rather because they had simply screwed things up? That their very unworthiness had forced Ohio's leadership to take the difficult step of founding an entirely new university to fulfill its flagship role? Hell, it would have been the easiest thing in the world to have given the nod to one of the Fredo schools. It's just that they didn't think either to be worthy. Don't believe me. Here is the unbiased opinion of a contemporary outsider. At the turn of the century, Ohio applied to the Carnegie Endowment to have its university professors covered under the CE's pension plan. Here are excerpts from the letter written in 1909 by Carnegie Endowment Chairman Thomas Pritchett to Ohio Governor Judson Harmon explaining the reasons why Ohio's application was being denied.

The Ohio State University has attempted to set satisfactory standards and to establish an acceptable procedure for evaluating high schools and their preparatory programs. All is to no avail, however, because the Ohio and Miami universities are not obliged to follow a similar course.....

The Ohio State University may fairly be called a university, but Ohio and Miami are certainly not university grade institutions. If Ohio State University could be relieved of the pressures created by the latter two, then Ohio might find itself the proud possessor of a university like the one in Wisconsin.....

Do you understand now? That little pool of stagnant bong water that you refer to as a, "university" has always been something of an embarrassment, not to mention financial drain upon the great state of Ohio.


JeffreyDahmer2;1771232; said:
Ohio wasn't even a state until March of 1803; so it's fair to discard the American Western name. The University's name was changed 11 months after statehood. It probably took that much time to Pony Express the proper paperwork between Athens and Washington. As far as Guv'nor Hayes is concerned... I find it more than coincidental that he was an outspoken advocate for A&M, helped found A&M, and denied land grant opportunities to Ohio University?

That's not the only break you guys got. The Eagleson Bill of 1906 locked out all of Ohio's public universities from doctoral education and research except The Ohio State University. (Why this was good for the state blows my mind, but probably not those in Columbus) Six years later the Big 10 picked up the Buckeyes. The Big Ten Conference is comprised of world-class academic institutions who share a common mission of research, graduate, professional and undergraduate teaching and public service. If no one in Ohio was allowed to conduct research or graduate education in the state of Ohio except Ohio State of course the Big 10 chose them. They wanted Ohio's population and rich football history as a state to be a part of their conference.

I know you guys don't like to play in the past because of all of the recent successes in Columbus so I'll let you know the Eagleson Bill is obviously no longer legal and Ohio University is #1 in the state in research royalties (which means we invent stuff that makes money) and Ohio University had a Nobel Prize Winner in 2009.

Without some critical legislation early in OUr state's history, Ohio University might have been the shepherd for all of these sheep.
 
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BuckeyeNation27;1771284; said:
yeah.....but as our new friend Mr. Dahmer can point out, if Ohio State's entire roster had committed to Ohio instead, you'd be singing a different tune.

If only John Wilce, Francis Schmidt, Paul Brown and Woody Hayes had chosen to work at FredOU....

If only the Association of American Universities had extended that 1916 invitation to Fredo...

If only Ohio Stadium had only been built in Athens....

If only Ohio State's 26 National Academy of Sciences and Engineering faculty had chosen to work at FredOU....

If only Havlicek and Lucas had attended Fredo...

If only Gordon Gee had left Vanderbilt to become President of Fredo....

On the other hand....

Perhaps--just perhaps--their faults lie not in their stars (and the decisions of others) but in themselves.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1771487; said:
First, I'd like to congratulate you on that Nobel winning alum. That means that all 12 of The Other State Universities combined now have exactly half as many Nobel Laureate alumni as their glorious Flagship University in Columbus.

As for the little bit of patent and royalty money that OU makes on its research, that just shows that you are in the B (or C) leagues.

First, The Ohio State University claims as many false Nobel Laureates as National Championships. (I'm not even counting the U game, it is what it is)

Second, Ohio University is a Tier 1 University. It has been established that an IQ above 130 doesn't really help with success in the real world. (There is a great book by Malcolm Gladwell called "Outliers" that discusses this topic) The reason I mention it is because once you attend a Tier 1 University, realistically, you've been provided with all the necessary tools and it's up to you to take control of your life and be successful. The extras are for the birds. Both Ohio State, Miami, and Ohio University have various nationally well respected programs in the state. I don't really care how much you spend on research. I don't care if Gordon Gee left work early to drink Dr. Pepper at a Frat house.

The point is Ohio is a tremendous school. I wouldn't go anywhere else given the chance. I mean wasn't it less than 30 years ago when you cholos were open enrollment?

You have a superior football team. You have a bigger football stadium. You have enough sheep to keep America warm through the next Ice Age. You have a great academic institution. But don't keep using OUr name and expect to walk away without some kind of peep.

Some food for thought,

http://thepost.baker.ohiou.edu/archives/102297/ohio.html
 
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JeffreyDahmer2;1771616; said:
First, The Ohio State University claims as many false Nobel Laureates as National Championships. (I'm not even counting the U game, it is what it is)

Second, Ohio University is a Tier 1 University. It has been established that an IQ above 130 doesn't really help with success in the real world. (There is a great book by Malcolm Gladwell called "Outliers" that discusses this topic) The reason I mention it is because once you attend a Tier 1 University, realistically, you've been provided with all the necessary tools and it's up to you to take control of your life and be successful. The extras are for the birds. Both Ohio State, Miami, and Ohio University have various nationally well respected programs in the state. I don't really care how much you spend on research. I don't care if Gordon Gee left work early to drink Dr. Pepper at a Frat house.

The point is Ohio is a tremendous school. I wouldn't go anywhere else given the chance. I mean wasn't it less than 30 years ago when you cholos were open enrollment?

You have a superior football team. You have a bigger football stadium. You have enough sheep to keep America warm through the next Ice Age. You have a great academic institution. But don't keep using OUr name and expect to walk away without some kind of peep.

OHIO State, with the superior football team and SUPERIOR BAND is going to kick the living shit out of the Bobkittens Saturday.
 
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JeffreyDahmer2;1771616; said:
First, The Ohio State University claims as many false Nobel Laureates as National Championships. (I'm not even counting the U game, it is what it is)

Second, Ohio University is a Tier 1 University. It has been established that an IQ above 130 doesn't really help with success in the real world. (There is a great book by Malcolm Gladwell called "Outliers" that discusses this topic) The reason I mention it is because once you attend a Tier 1 University, realistically, you've been provided with all the necessary tools and it's up to you to take control of your life and be successful. The extras are for the birds. Both Ohio State, Miami, and Ohio University have various nationally well respected programs in the state. I don't really care how much you spend on research. I don't care if Gordon Gee left work early to drink Dr. Pepper at a Frat house.

The point is Ohio is a tremendous school. I wouldn't go anywhere else given the chance. I mean wasn't it less than 30 years ago when you cholos were open enrollment?

You have a superior football team. You have a bigger football stadium. You have enough sheep to keep America warm through the next Ice Age. You have a great academic institution. But don't keep using OUr name and expect to walk away without some kind of peep.

Some food for thought,

http://thepost.baker.ohiou.edu/archives/102297/ohio.html

Congratulations. I'm very happy for you that you love your university.
 
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