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OH RB Todd Sibley (Pitt Signee)

Yes. He'd pay for fall semester and then go on full scholly in January, I believe and count towards 2018 numbers. If memory serves me right, Todd Boeckman, Cardale and even Drue Chrisman were/are all Grayshirts. And I'm sure someone could find a number more

I know Craig was GS. I can't say for certain that the others were or not. For a kicker, long snapper or other specialist, I have to guess that this happens frequently. We lost a kicker a couple of years ago when numbers got tight and asked to GS, right? Crappy memory with age...
 
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Yeah, but he can still enroll for fall and pay his own way if he wants. A GS is about delaying taking a scholarship.
Exactly!
I know Craig was GS. I can't say for certain that the others were or not. For a kicker, long snapper or other specialist, I have to guess that this happens frequently. We lost a kicker a couple of years ago when numbers got tight and asked to GS, right? Crappy memory with age...
And you may mean the kid who spurned us for UF
 
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I didn't, know the Canes did it when they were on probation. How is that worded and how can they prove it if the student athlete participates seriously in track?
I don't think we want to follow in the Canes footsteps... But I do remember them doing that and figured that's where you were going with your insinuation. But I wouldn't want to head down that sketchy road started by Butch Jones. Like I've said before, 2017 will be a year unlike many where we're this tight on scholarships
 
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I didn't, know the Canes did it when they were on probation. How is that worded and how can they prove it if the student athlete participates seriously in track?
If they play football they count against the 85.
15.5.9 Multi-Sport Participants.

15.5.9.1 Football. [FBS/FCS] In football, a counter who was recruited and/or offered financial aid to participate in football and who participates (practices or competes) in football and one or more sports (including basketball) shall be counted in football. A counter who was not recruited and/or offered financial aid to participate in football and who competes in football and one or more sports (including basketball) shall be counted infootball. (Revised: 1/10/95 effective 8/1/95, 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96)
 
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Maybe. But if OSU can get Harris or Akers, it won't matter that much.

Put me firmly in the camp that you don't burn in-state bridges with kids that grew up dreaming of being Buckeyes. You certainly don't do it to chase a California kid once-committed to Alabama or a Mississippi kid once-committed to Alabama.

Aesop's Fable about a dog carrying a bone and seeing its reflection in the water and all of that ...
 
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Put me firmly in the camp that you don't burn in-state bridges with kids that grew up dreaming of being Buckeyes. You certainly don't do it to chase a California kid once-committed to Alabama or a Mississippi kid once-committed to Alabama.

Aesop's Fable about a dog carrying a bone and seeing its reflection in the water and all of that ...
I don't see how they're burning bridges if they've kept constant contact with him and have been up front with him. The same was done with Danny Clark as well and the staff us still pursuing other possible QBs. Too much is being made to do about nothing. And regardless of where the kids were committed or are committed you chase the best. If in he end they sign as Buckeyes then who cares where they're from who they were committed to.
 
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I don't see how they're burning bridges if they've kept constant contact with him and have been up front with him. The same was done with Danny Clark as well and the staff us still pursuing other possible QBs. Too much is being made to do about nothing. And regardless of where the kids were committed or are committed you chase the best. If in he end they sign as Buckeyes then who cares where they're from who they were committed to.
You can be up front and completely honest with somebody, and still piss somebody off. The goal would be to not piss off the locals who might produce a talented football player down the road. Obviously there is a ton more that goes into recruiting than just keeping the Ohio people happy, but you're looking at things too black and white and too short sighted.
 
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Put me firmly in the camp that you don't burn in-state bridges with kids that grew up dreaming of being Buckeyes. You certainly don't do it to chase a California kid once-committed to Alabama or a Mississippi kid once-committed to Alabama.
is it okay to do it to a kid from Indiana? Maryland? What if he didn't grow up a buckeye fan?

I would suggest that many of the complaints are more emotional more than strategic (upsetting future talent). Part of me certainly shares that emotional response, don't get me wrong.

I'd also echo that it's how business is done and has no relevance to how I was told to keep my word as a man. There is no honor in recruiting. All of his future suitors would dump him in a heartbeat if they thought they could get Najee. This isn't Jim Tressel's B1G, verbals and scholarship players are processed all the time. It's not nice, admirable or how a man conducts himself, but those have no relevance in the bug money game of college football.

Coaches bail after the kids are signed. Coaches and players make flimsy pinky swears about their futures. Coaches and players lie about the nature of offers. Coaches and players fill spots with non binding commitments and frequently reverse them if they find something better.

I hate this for Todd, who is a great kid by all accounts and was honorable and loyal. But while it's unkind, it's better to part ways now if both sides do not feel it is a good fit. It isn't helpful to either side to have him riding the pine behind Weber, Williams and maybe others for 3+ years like Warren Ball. He also has the talent to play big time college football and deserves the chance to chase that dream.
 
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I can't help but smile at the fact that only a few short years ago, the generally-accepted theory was that no elite RB's would ever want to play for Urban Meyer.....

This sucks for kids like Todd, who are excellent players. Unfortunately, that's how big-time college football works these days. If you want to compete year in and year out on a national level, you've got to get the best players that you possibly can.
 
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is it okay to do it to a kid from Indiana? Maryland? What if he didn't grow up a buckeye fan?

I would suggest that many of the complaints are more emotional more than strategic (upsetting future talent). Part of me certainly shares that emotional response, don't get me wrong.

I'd also echo that it's how business is done and has no relevance to how I was told to keep my word as a man. There is no honor in recruiting. All of his future suitors would dump him in a heartbeat if they thought they could get Najee. This isn't Jim Tressel's B1G, verbals and scholarship players are processed all the time. It's not nice, admirable or how a man conducts himself, but those have no relevance in the bug money game of college football.

Coaches bail after the kids are signed. Coaches and players make flimsy pinky swears about their futures. Coaches and players lie about the nature of offers. Coaches and players fill spots with non binding commitments and frequently reverse them if they find something better.

I hate this for Todd, who is a great kid by all accounts and was honorable and loyal. But while it's unkind, it's better to part ways now if both sides do not feel it is a good fit. It isn't helpful to either side to have him riding the pine behind Weber, Williams and maybe others for 3+ years like Warren Ball. He also has the talent to play big time college football and deserves the chance to chase that dream.
I can't help but smile at the fact that only a few short years ago, the generally-accepted theory was that no elite RB's would ever want to play for Urban Meyer.....

This sucks for kids like Todd, who are excellent players. Unfortunately, that's how big-time college football works these days. If you want to compete year in and year out on a national level, you've got to get the best players that you possibly can.
I blame the SEC.
 
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