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Yeah that was more of a joke than anything.

I really do have a rough time finding 36 gig scsi's nowadays. Mwave hasnt carried em for a while. Actually lemme rephrase that, they carry em, but only maxtor and fujitsu. I dont trust anything but seagate when it comes to scsis. Even newegg is out of the 36 gig seagates right now.
 
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BrutusMaximus said:
Not taking offense, that's the point of this thread. I was pricing components up using Xeon 3.0 ghz 533 FSB processors, PC2100-2700 DDR. You are right about the 2GB DDR2 sticks being insanely expensive. Just all depends on which generation of CPU's you go with.


Somebody got a percentage chance of 2 drives failing at the same time? :) Ok if 73 gig is not enough, that is fine, basically that size was selected by default. Could even do 2 146 gig drives. Honestly though, I dont really disagree with you as much on this, 5 36 giggers using Raid 5 is fine. Alot of places do not even offer 36 gig SCSI's anymore, unless of course we build it manually.


Yup, totally agree. Funny thing is, the price list I posted earlier in this thread was from NewEgg, and another from Mwave. Nice to see a fellow geek :)

I have also built many servers myself that handle a HUGE ammount of traffic. Think the price I came up with was around $3500. Course I believe that was with 8 gig of ram as well.

Also in discussing the HD situation. Keep in mind we'll still have the old server for storing multimedia, videos, whatever. So it's not like you have to rely on the new machine for absolutely everything.

I'll never disagree that having a Raid 5 solution is not MUCH more efficient and secure way of doing things. Just in case by some strange occurance, you have multiple drives go out. I was just mentioning other options that would change the pricing scheme a bit.

If we do decide to build it ourselves, then not only can you do it for much less, but possibilities are endless.

Actually, I take that back on the 2 gig DDR2..........newegg has em for $450/dimm
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You guys can't forget the price of the flux capacitor.


All of this computer "geekese" is hilarious. Reminds of that computer guy skit from Saturday Night Live with Jimmy Fallon.

Glad someone on this site has the knowledge you guys do. I'm sure Clarity appreciates your input.
 
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BrutusMaximus said:
Yeah that was more of a joke than anything.

I really do have a rough time finding 36 gig scsi's nowadays. Mwave hasnt carried em for a while. Actually lemme rephrase that, they carry em, but only maxtor and fujitsu. I dont trust anything but seagate when it comes to scsis. Even newegg is out of the 36 gig seagates right now.
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NewEgg usually has them in stock, and I believe they did last week when I checked the prices on my spec sheet. Overstock.com right now has 10K 73Gb refurbs for $65/ea for the 2-in tall drives and $75/ea for the half heights.

Buy.com has the 36's in stock, but they're overpriced for the model drive they're selling.
 
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We have heard from a number of reliable sources that are giving us much lower totals than $8K, which is encouraging.

Something I think that needs to be pointed out is that if we do spend much less on the server, this would enable us to spend a few hundred on web hosting options from a separate, shared host. We could host it elsewhere to separate it's bandwidth from the normal server bandwidth, and with a marginal amount of money we could purchase a very large storage amount with unlimited bandwidth.

With all of the video clips we will be having in the upcoming season and on, with DA continuing to do video clips, everyone making highlight reels, and probably a few others trying our hand at video editing, it might not be a bad investment to have a separate place to host all of our multimedia files.

We could also possibly host the pictures at that location if need be, for instance the guest photographer Hayn who will be posting his gameday photos this fall.
 
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BrutusMaximus said:
Yeah like I said I can host anything here where I work. Sitting on a DS3 and I have my own server here.
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Ah ha ... I believe I read in the 'Who is your ISP' thread that you work for 1st.net?

I used to work at GreenApple Inc in Central OH from '95-'00, so I was a competitor. I could probably swing a colocation deal for BP there as well, and they're rockin' the OC-12 SONet ring. Last I heard, though it's been years, they had DS3 peering arrangements with UUNet/MCI, AT&T, and SBC.

The company I am with now has a full T-1 lease circuit through them. It's a nice arrangement since it's a 10 minute drive to the upstream provider from my current office.

And BrutusM, I agree we'll have to forego the flux capacitor. I don't know that APC has a battery back-up UPS unit that can handle the required 1.21 jigawatts to power the flux. :biggrin:
 
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Yeah we have dialup access all over the country now, most coverage in ohio and WV. Do alot of T1's, T3's, etc. Just got into the DSL market about a year ago, that's goin pretty well. Also do alot of web, colo, and dedicated hosting. Our DS3 is through Qwest, althought there is talk of adding a second one, like maybe through at&t or someone, redundancy is good :)


I actually am the director of tech support here, but I do sales, network admin stuff........basically any job that nobody else wants :)
 
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Dryden said:
And BrutusM, I agree we'll have to forego the flux capacitor. I don't know that APC has a battery back-up UPS unit that can handle the required 1.21 jigawatts to power the flux. :biggrin:
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What are you talking about? Couldn't we just skip the UPS unit in favor of 2 Black & Decker "Mr. Fusion's" to power the FC? And we only need the second one as a redundant system. :wink2:

Anyway, the more I hear, the better I feel about the server costs. I don't know what any of all this means, but I like the numbers! Hopefully Clarity will check out this thread (he's been requested to do so) before long and we can see where we stand. Thanks for the help/knowledge guys.

One thing that you may want to check into (time permitting of course), is how would the software/OS install/setup be handled? Are there companies that handle this type of thing? Costs? I we would also be interested in Service/Support numbers as well. Any ideas on that front Brutus and Dryden?
 
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Well the one price I quoted from mbx.com was including a 3 year service agreement, as well as software installation. Installing BSD, linux, or whatever we decide to go with is easy. I believe Clarity said he could do that himself. Setting up everything for the website will be a little more difficult. One of us could probably do it remotely, as long as we have a shell account on it with permissions. PHP and Mysql are not hard to install though. I honestly think we can do it without a problem, foregoing the install costs.
 
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Wow, now we're talkin. Good input guys. The 8k number has always been floated out, but in reality I think we can get by with something nice for at least 2k less, which we would have as soon as the shirt money comes in.

I could write a book of all the PC failures I've teched that I'd previously said, "oh, that'll never happen to me."
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I've had 6 almost brand new Intel 82801 chips burn out in the past week. that was a bitch and a half.
 
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Well as Dryden stated.....if we do build it ourselves, we can do the Raid 5 setup, leave plenty of room for upgrade, use all higher quality components, and have alot less chance of things crapping out. But just a for instance. I have had drives and such fail on many occassion, dealing with mwave, I call em up, have a replacement here by noon the next day. Nothin to worry about there.
 
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