Official Cleveland Browns Draft Thread

[BayBuck]

Edit: I'll ask this plainly. Can either of you find a non-biased columnist or NFL expert that thinks this was a horrible trade or that the Browns had a bad draft?

Who cares what the media thinks about the trade? They're the ones who have been pimping Quinn for the last two years anyway.

 

[Bleed S & G]

Troy Smith wasn't a better prospect than Quinn. Will Quinn be the better NFL QB? I have no clue, but I tend to think first round QBs have higher success rates than 5th round QBs.

What rookie Qbs don't have a lot to prove? Every QB has to prove they're not a bust. Saying that means nothing. The fact of the matter is Quinn was easily the second best QB in this draft, arguably the best, and the Browns made a proactive moce to get him rather than hoping Fry works out or that they can luck into a QB just as good or better in next years draft.

Edit: I'll ask this plainly. Can either of you find a non-biased columnist or NFL expert that thinks this was a horrible trade or that the Browns had a bad draft?

I guess we disagree.. Quinn was a better prospect to the talking heads, which to me quite frankly means jack shit. The ONLY thing quinn had on smith was size.. and its overrated.. Troy was working with an NFL sized line here at tOSU. Troy excelled under pressure, was a run-away heisman winner, and had the best year at QB i've ever seen a buckeye have, granted i wasn;t around for art, rex, or tomzack.

A 1st round selection is being told hey you're a good prospect, and a 5th round heisman winner is being told hey we think your heisman was a fluke by the league.. yes they both have a lot to prove. but 'saying that means nothing' is redic

Can I find a non-biased column? Well, the reason why you think quinn was the second best qb maybe the best.. is IMO biased. The media hype and all that bull shit is a pro-ND pro-Weis pro-Brady bias. And i think its wrong.. like most of the talking heads normally are. For the 100th time, time will tell but I do NOT think he was the second best QB in the draft. I think he's a dime a dozen fold under pressure hyped up QB.. but we'll see I hope Im wrong and he leads us to the promised land. Would much rather have drafted Troy Smith in the 5th.

 

[Napoleonbuck]

Who cares what the media thinks about the trade? They're the ones who have been pimping Quinn for the last two years anyway.

Fine then, limit it to NFL experts or columnists(Jaworski and the like).

 

[23Skidoo]

If you're going to be successful in the NFL, you don't hope your QB doesn't make mistakes. You can maybe do that if your defense is lights out, but the Browns don't have that luxury. The Browns need a QB that can make plays. Fry isn't the guy, and there is no reason to think Quinn can't be that guy.

Tell that to the Bears. Crennel is an excellent defensive coach. If that's not the direction we're going to try and go, why not just fire him now?

And what amazing reasons have you given to show Stanton IS as good as Quinn? Was Stanton thought to be that good by anyone involved with NFL teams, or is it just your opinion?

I've posted them many times -- I'm sure you can use the search function.
You can find some of them in this thread.

Again twisting words. No one is saying top five, so you can drop it.

Actually some are. Not you -- which is why I addressed top-10 and admitted that top-15 or top-10, we're mincing words. ie: if you had any reading comprehension, you'd know I didn't argue you on that point.

What team in the eleven range would have taken Quinn. Texans? Not with the deal they made for Schaubb. San Francisco? Not with first overall pick Smith still there. Buffalo? JP Losman is their future QB. St. Louis? Not with Bulger firmly entrenched as the starter. Jets? They still have Pennington. Pittsburgh still has Roethlisberger, Green Bay has Favre and Rogers, Denver has Cutler, Cincinnati has Palmer, Tennessee has Young, Giants have Manning, Jacksonville has Leftwich. The only teams before Kansas City that could have used a QB were Miami(but they're banking on Green being healthy I guess if they make the trade), Minnesota(they're banking on their second round pick last year being their future), and Oakland(they picked Russel obviously).

Tell me, what teams in the first round in that area woud've picked a QB this year?

Again, reading comprehension. 11+ ... I'm sure you know that operationally means 11-22 (including Dallas).

Where the hell have I had a mancrush on Quinn? Please show me the posts. Who in this thread that's looked at this reasonably has a "mancrush" on Quinn? No one is saying he's can't miss, but you're already preparing to dismiss him and call him a failure.





Give me the list then.

Anyone who thinks Brady Quinn is arguably the best QB in the draft (and you've posted that he is, unequivocably the best QB in this draft in this very thread before) has a mancrush on him in my opinion.
Russell was drafted purely on potential -- but you'd be hardpressed to find anybody outside of yourself, king, and nd nation that thinks Quinn's ceiling is anywhere close to Russell's.
As for labeling him a failure -- I've consistently labeled him as a good or very solid prospect. You just want to paint me as a hater because you have no actual argument past your mancrush.

 

[itownbuckeye]

it certainly can't be argued that Quinn has a higher ceiling than Russell but I think it can be argued that he has a higher floor.

 

[CookyPuss]

it certainly can't be argued that Quinn has a higher ceiling than Russell but I think it can be argued that he has a higher floor.

Alot of people once thought Ryan Leaf had a higher ceiling than Peyton Manning. We all know how that one turned out.

 

[23Skidoo]

it certainly can't be argued that Quinn has a higher ceiling than Russell but I think it can be argued that he has a higher floor.

Maybe. IMO, the success rate of QBs is such that almost all of them have roughly the same floor... ie: the bottom. Occasionally you get somebody like Manning whose floor is noticably higher.
But I think the floor for both of these guys is to end up as a career backup jumping from team to team. When you get down to it, neither was truly battle-tested in college.

 

[Big Papa]

How many years has Winslow been on the paycheck getting paid top-10 money? And one season? Even if you're not going to look at it from a business perspective, that's at least a huge waste of capspace. And it's not like he's been injured from playing... he hurt himself being an idiot on his own time.
As for his numbers, they're decent. But considering he's worthless as a blocker, I expect to see some Shannon Sharpe type numbers.

Once again, lost. How did he get injured his rookie season?

 

[Big Papa]

I guess we disagree.. Quinn was a better prospect to the talking heads, which to me quite frankly means jack shit. The ONLY thing quinn had on smith was size.. and its overrated.. Troy was working with an NFL sized line here at tOSU. Troy excelled under pressure, was a run-away heisman winner, and had the best year at QB i've ever seen a buckeye have, granted i wasn;t around for art, rex, or tomzack.

A 1st round selection is being told hey you're a good prospect, and a 5th round heisman winner is being told hey we think your heisman was a fluke by the league.. yes they both have a lot to prove. but 'saying that means nothing' is redic

Can I find a non-biased column? Well, the reason why you think quinn was the second best qb maybe the best.. is IMO biased. The media hype and all that bull shit is a pro-ND pro-Weis pro-Brady bias. And i think its wrong.. like most of the talking heads normally are. For the 100th time, time will tell but I do NOT think he was the second best QB in the draft. I think he's a dime a dozen fold under pressure hyped up QB.. but we'll see I hope Im wrong and he leads us to the promised land. Would much rather have drafted Troy Smith in the 5th.

For the record I would rather have Troy too, but I am not going to gang up on the Browns for making the moves they did. I get sick thinking about him Troy throwing on us in a couple of years. Noting is set in stone for Troy or Brady, I just hope they both become Pro Bowlers.

 

[tsteele316]

Once again, lost. How did he get injured his rookie season?

not only that, he restructured his contract after he curbchecked. the contract is very incentive based now, so it's not hte huge cap hit it once was.

 

[23Skidoo]

Once again, lost. How did he get injured his rookie season?

3 years getting paid... 1 productive year... and he just finished having surgery again. If you actually think he's been a productive return for Lerner's money or where he was drafted, I've got beachfront property here in CO for you. He is, of yet, a bust.

 

[itownbuckeye]

3 years getting paid... 1 productive year... and he just finished having surgery again. If you actually think he's been a productive return for Lerner's money or where he was drafted, I've got beachfront property here in CO for you. He is, of yet, a bust.

didn't insurance pay a lot of his salary? or was the year he was out due to the motorcycle accident not covered because it happened off the field?

 

[Big Papa]

3 years getting paid... 1 productive year... and he just finished having surgery again. If you actually think he's been a productive return for Lerner's money or where he was drafted, I've got beachfront property here in CO for you. He is, of yet, a bust.

He is not going to miss any time from this past surgery, which is like the first injury, from football as you so conveniently had your facts wrong, again. He is one of the Top 5 TE's in the league with the potential to be the best, yeah, I am satisfied with the investment when I look back at the other wasted money, the two years lost because of injury or just guys not panning out. He doesn't even register when you look at Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren and Tim Couch, Jeff Faine, and William Green. Even FA acquisitions such as LeCharles Bentley. How much is he costing us? He has never played a single down, even in pre-season. How about Gary Baxter? What is he costing the Browns to be injured for the past two seasons? Playing a total of 8 games. You actually probably have that beach front property in Colorado that you bought because you didn't have your facts straight or did not bother to do the research on the United States to actually know that Colorado was not on the coast! Luckily for me, I stay informed of facts.

 

[23Skidoo]

He is not going to miss any time from this past surgery, which is like the first injury, from football as you so conveniently had your facts wrong, again. He is one of the Top 5 TE's in the league with the potential to be the best, yeah, I am satisfied with the investment when I look back at the other wasted money, the two years lost because of injury or just guys not panning out. He doesn't even register when you look at Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren and Tim Couch, Jeff Faine, and William Green. Even FA acquisitions such as LeCharles Bentley. How much is he costing us? He has never played a single down, even in pre-season. How about Gary Baxter? What is he costing the Browns to be injured for the past two seasons? Playing a total of 8 games. You actually probably have that beach front property in Colorado that you bought because you didn't have your facts straight or did not bother to do the research on the United States to actually know that Colorado was not on the coast! Luckily for me, I stay informed of facts.

I know he's not supposed to miss time this year, but you're dumber than you keep trying to imply I am if you think surgery isn't going to affect him at all.
So because there is a list of other Browns' picks that are quintessential busts, Winslow isn't. Yea he got injured on the field the first time -- but he also took himself out the second. So we both ignore some facts to strengthen our arguments... doesn't change the one I keep repeating and the one you have no answer to: 3 years, only 1 where he contributed.
I agree, potential wise, he is a premiere TE. But it's not a reality until he does it. And he hasn't yet.

 

[Mike80]

Guys seriously....

Evil Knevil is still on the team....the guy's got some talent but with a bad decision here and some bad luck there, he just hasn't gotten the job done yet.

I'm going to give them all, Quinn included, a chance. There's really no other option at this point.