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Official Cleveland Browns Draft Thread

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sandgk;824594; said:
The going rate for a late first round pick is not a prospectively high 1st round pick in next years draft, plus a guaranteed high draft pick in the 2nd round.

I'm glad some Browns fans look at this as a great draft move. But, seriously, they overspent to get it - plain and simple. (Apocryphal tales of competing offers by Baltimore whispered into Quinn's ear don't change that fact.)
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Quinn was a late first round pick at 22 yes. But he is not late first round caliber. That is the point. He's top ten caliber and the Browns get to have him a year early. If the Browns have a terrible record next year and their top ten pick goes to Cowboys, so what! They already got a top ten caliber player for next years number one pick in Brady Quinn this year. All it cost was a second round pick and then they traded back into this year's second round anyway and got a corner who is probably just as good if not better than Leon Hall who went to the Bengals in the first round.

I prefer my team going out and getting the players they want rather than just sitting still waiting to see who might fall in their lap. Brady Quinn equates to what would have been the Browns' 2008 Top 10 pick. It's academic. Put down the beer and ponder on it for a minute or two.

It was a good deal for the Browns and a good deal for the Cowboys because yes they will probably get a top ten next year. Consider this. Even though the Browns picked him at number 22, the Browns essentially got two top ten picks this year when you consider the quality of the two players (Thomas and Quinn). You could actually consider them two top five picks but why be greedy.

Also, in 2008 if there is a player in the first round that the Browns really want, what is there to keep them from trading 2009's number one to go get that guy. In fact, what if the Browns continually from now on trade into the first round in that fashion every year trading the first round pick for the following year. The Browns can be America's team living on credit racking up debt that they never intend to pay off!!! It doesn't get anymore American than that!!!!

Go Browns!!!!!
 
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Mcfadden Mcschmadden

Mgoblue29;824839; said:
Well if you guys had kept that pick and sucked this year you could have entered into the Darren Mcfadden sweepstakes. Mcfadden is almost certain not to bust.
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So is Mcfadden the newly annointed number one overall pick for next year already. At this time last year I think alot of people assumed that this year's number one pick would be Quinn. Ho hum. It isn't very likely that Browns will be bad enough to earn the first pick overall in 2008 and have a shot at Mcfadden anyway. Atleast that is not the goal...to be in the annual first round pick sweepstakes each and every year! The Browns are probably out of luck if they wanted Chris Wells in 2009 also!

Maybe the Browns can lay low and not get any better on purpose until after they draft Chris Wells in April 2009. Tell you what. If the Browns continue to struggle going forward from here. That can be the cover story for the shortcoming. They are just trying to set themselves up for Chris Wells! How about that! It always helps to have an excuse for failure. That would actually be an excuse that the fanbase could probably get in line behind!!!!:biggrin:
 
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Buckeyedynasty;824831; said:
One important thing to consider is that even though we beat you guys year in and year out you do recruit talent and have talented players. I don't think the same can be said for ND at least not until recently and hell they only have talent on one side of the ball let alone Quinn's O-line stunk. Just some things that I think should be considered if we are comparing Henne and Quinn.
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I love these arguments for Quinn that rely on throwing the rest of the team under the bus. Quinn was a major factor in their meltdown against ttun. And as I've noted before... going into the season how many guys did we hear ND talk about as excellent players? Samasdlfk;jas, McKnight, Abiamiri, Harris, Walker, etc. ... maybe their recruiting isn't on par with a Michigan, Ohio State, USC, or LSU -- but they're light years ahead of the likes of teams they beat up on and his stats come from. Furthermore, if this guy is truly a franchise QB-to-be you'd think he'd have kept them a lot closer and raised his team up. Fact is, his team is mediocre when it comes to the big boys and he's not too much better himself.
Taking this "his team sucks" argument, one would have to assume Stanton, Beck, and Brennan are at least as good as Quinn. If not better (after all, this entire argument is predicated on how much ND sucks and these other teams are even worse).
 
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spadukins;824842; said:
So is Mcfadden the newly annointed number one overall pick for next year already. At this time last year I think alot of people assumed that this year's number one pick would be Quinn. Ho hum. It isn't very likely that Browns will be bad enough to earn the first pick overall in 2008 and have a shot at Mcfadden anyway. Atleast that is not the goal...to be in the annual first round pick sweepstakes each and every year! The Browns are probably out of luck if they wanted Chris Wells in 2009 also!

Maybe the Browns can lay low and not get any better on purpose until after they draft Chris Wells in April 2009. Tell you what. If the Browns continue to struggle going forward from here. That can be the cover story for the shortcoming. They are just trying to set themselves up for Chris Wells! How about that! It always helps to have an excuse for failure. That would actually be an excuse that the fanbase could probably get in line behind!!!!:biggrin:
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Ahh a shimmer of hope. Having just thrown away 2 top-40 picks on this guy, (1 of which will almost certainly be top-15 if not top-5 or 10) I don't think it's likely that we're not in the top-5 in 2009 -- if Beanie will really be that great (and I certainly hope he will).
Then we should still have Thomas and Steinbach on the line, and maybe Beanie could light it up. Great idea! I'll tune back into the Browns 2 years from now.
 
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Listen, I enjoy a spirited debate but this thread is about the Cleveland Browns draft and not about Brady vs Henne....:biggrin:

Ahh a shimmer of hope. Having just thrown away 2 top-40 picks on this guy, (1 of which will almost certainly be top-15 if not top-5 or 10)
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In my opinion they merely drafted their franchise QB a year early. They would have taken that pick next year and used it on a QB most likely.....I think it is a good deal and at least it gives Browns fans hope they are starting to give a shit about winning.
 
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OSUBasketballJunkie;824875; said:
Listen, I enjoy a spirited debate but this thread is about the Cleveland Browns draft and not about Brady vs Henne....:biggrin:



In my opinion they merely drafted their franchise QB a year early. They would have taken that pick next year and used it on a QB most likely.....I think it is a good deal and at least it gives Browns fans hope they are starting to give a shit about winning.
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the way day one panned out, the equation will end up being is quinn > brohm/brennen + whatever 4th round pick cleveland missed this year, provided they don't trade someone like frye or chaun thompson.

once grubbs went off the board, wright was going to be cleveland's pick at 36, had no trades been made. so, i really can't see what folks are complaining about.
 
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OSUBasketballJunkie;824875; said:
In my opinion they merely drafted their franchise QB a year early. They would have taken that pick next year and used it on a QB most likely.....I think it is a good deal and at least it gives Browns fans hope they are starting to give a shit about winning.
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Agreed 110%
 
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Buckeyedynasty;824831; said:
One important thing to consider is that even though we beat you guys year in and year out you do recruit talent and have talented players. I don't think the same can be said for ND at least not until recently and hell they only have talent on one side of the ball let alone Quinn's O-line stunk. Just some things that I think should be considered if we are comparing Henne and Quinn.
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Henne isn't half the QB that Quinn is, Henne won't even sniff the first round in 08.
 
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http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10155525

Earlier, the Browns landed another big one, selecting Thomas with the No. 3 pick. Thomas skipped a draft-day trip to New York to go fishing with his father and friends on Lake Michigan.

Aboard the "Foxy Lady" they reeled in a 14-pound brown trout. The Browns pulled in their own 313-pounder.
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:rofl:

Brown trout... so many directions you can take that one...

:rofl:
 
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OSUBasketballJunkie;824875; said:
In my opinion they merely drafted their franchise QB a year early. They would have taken that pick next year and used it on a QB most likely.....I think it is a good deal and at least it gives Browns fans hope they are starting to give a shit about winning.
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And if we are picking top 10 next year, guess what? The talent evaluators fucked up (again). Only this time, we're in even worse position because we have to wait for 6 hours before we pick. I think Wright and Quinn will be good players, but we gave up high picks here--not seventh round practice squad fodder. I don't think a 4-12 team should be focusing on filling a fewer number of holes (though possibly with a higher level of talent) and is surprising considering Savage made his bones in Baltimore through the draft.
 
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