OC Chip Kelly (Official Thread)

[1926Buckeyes]

Seems like something that would be worked on during the offseason. Would hope to see him get another opportunity.

Why? I get raging at Kelly, but why does anyone want Hartline at OC? He's a star recruiter and developer, not a coordinator. Nothing that happened in '23 gave me any notion that he's the future at OC.

 

[knuckifyoubuck]

I don't think he was every ready in '23. Specifically against Purdue he was calling some plays but wasn't doing it quickly enough. At one point you can see Day lose it and say something like "give me the fucking sheet, I'll do it."

Maybe he's ready now, but the answer isn't hoping he is. If you don't want Kelly back, you have to go out and get someone else. I don't want to jettison him into the sun yet because I'm not sure how much anyone can do with your top 2 OL out and your QB playing poorly. To use the WRs you still need a QB who could put together a drive and whether he was slightly concussed or just bad, Howard got worse and worse as the game went on.

Did Howard get worse? He very well may have, but the only bright spot really was right before halftime. I went back and looked after reading your post, we threw more than I thought after watching it again.

Drive 1: we move the ball, kick 3

End of 1st Q.

Drive 2: starting on our 3 or 4, after we had a 4th down stand, we run, run, and throw a pick.
Drive 3: Howard hurt, comes back in, missed FG
Drive 4: Forced to throw, TD drive

End of 2nd Q.

Drive 5: starting at our own 6: run, run (some boos), pass for 1st down. Pass for another 1st down. Run, pass deflected, screen pass/dump off for a 1st down across the 50. Incomplete pass, wr screen, pass thrown late and behind Ebuka it's now 4th down. We punt and pin them down to the 5.

We hold em, we get ball back on their side of the 50.

Drive 6: big run gain of 17, 1st down. Run, run, pass for a 1st down. Run, run, interception.

Caleb Downs INT.

Drive 7: run, bootleg right throwback to TE left for a loss - now its 3rd and 10 - HB delay. Missed FG.

End of 3rd Q.

Sawyer INT.

Drive 8: Run bounced outside gain of 5, pass dropped by Tate, Howard scrambles comes up 1 yard short. 4th and 1, punt.

Drive 9: After a series of unfortunate events, we have no timeouts and 45 seconds left, down on the scoreboard. We go incomplete, complete on a check down, incomplete, incomplete.

Game.

 

[pnuts34]

Why? I get raging at Kelly, but why does anyone want Hartline at OC? He's a star recruiter and developer, not a coordinator. Nothing that happened in '23 gave me any notion that he's the future at OC.

Nothing on Saturday showed that Kelly should be a current OC, heck there are a number of games that Kelly's offense looked old and antiquated. Why not try Hartline? At least Hartline is a recruiter and developer, Kelly isn't a recruiter, a developer or even a competent coordinator. If ALL of us knew the strength of the scUM defense was their DL and weakness was their DBs, I think a trained monkey would understand even after halftime to start passing the ball to your amazing WRs and stop the running the ball right into the DL's arms. I bet Hartline would realize that OSU needs to pass the ball when scUM is missing their best defensive players at DB

 

[1926Buckeyes]

Nothing on Saturday showed that Kelly should be a current OC, heck there are a number of games that Kelly's offense looked old and antiquated. Why not try Hartline? At least Hartline is a recruiter and developer, Kelly isn't a recruiter, a developer or even a competent coordinator. If ALL of us knew the strength of the scUM defense was their DL and weakness was their DBs, I think a trained monkey would understand even after halftime to start passing the ball to your amazing WRs and stop the running the ball right into the DL's arms. I bet Hartline would realize that OSU needs to pass the ball when scUM is missing their best defensive players at DB

They tried Hartline in '23 and he wasn't up to the task. If he was ready to take over from Day he would've this year. They need a real OC to replace Kelly.

No idea why they didn't try more hurry up, it doesn't make sense. I don't think coaches randomly have their brains fall out during games, though. Performances like the one on Saturday don't boil down to just one thing like play calling. There has to be some reason to what they did. Michigan was surprisingly passive. It was up to Howard to lead long drives with short, accurate passing and scrambles and he was not up to the task. In fact he handed them multiple TOs. They kept going back to the run game because passing led to TOs and not much production. They were between a rock and a hard place. That's all I've got.

 

[pnuts34]

They tried Hartline in '23 and he wasn't up to the task. If he was ready to take over from Day he would've this year. They need a real OC to replace Kelly.

No idea why they didn't try more hurry up, it doesn't make sense. I don't think coaches randomly have their brains fall out during games, though. Performances like the one on Saturday don't boil down to just one thing like play calling. There has to be some reason to what they did. Michigan was surprisingly passive. It was up to Howard to lead long drives with short, accurate passing and scrambles and he was not up to the task. In fact he handed them multiple TOs. They kept going back to the run game because passing led to TOs and not much production. They were between a rock and a hard place. That's all I've got.

Kelly and Day wanted to prove that they had "manly" game plans, and wanted to continue the trend of the team to win out rushes the other. Anyone watching could see that OSU could win that game with passing and play action. And I disagree on the lack of passing production, passing was only offensive scheme that was working. There were plenty of open routes in the middle, screens in 1 on 1 coverage to RBs, and Kelly hardly ever called plays to get Smith or Egbuka in single coverage.
I think Hartline could've been ready, and Day wanted to bring in his mentor. So none of us know how ready Hartline was/is, we were all so elated that he was able to bring in Kelly. Kelly has had few games that have shown complete creativity and innovation. That gameplan on Saturday was laughable

 

[1926Buckeyes]

Kelly and Day wanted to prove that they had "manly" game plans, and wanted to continue the trend of the team to win out rushes the other. Anyone watching could see that OSU could win that game with passing and play action. And I disagree on the lack of passing production, passing was only offensive scheme that was working. There were plenty of open routes in the middle, screens in 1 on 1 coverage to RBs, and Kelly hardly ever called plays to get Smith or Egbuka in single coverage.
I think Hartline could've been ready, and Day wanted to bring in his mentor. So none of us know how ready Hartline was/is, we were all so elated that he was able to bring in Kelly. Kelly has had few games that have shown complete creativity and innovation. That gameplan on Saturday was laughable

Outside of Hartline, do you have any names in mind? Not asking as a gotcha, moreso because I don't have a long list of OC candidates I know of.

One name I was thinking of is Buster Faulkner (GaTech OC). Wouldn't deviate far from some of what Kelly's system but should have different ideas and ways to call games. Impressed vs Georgia outside of OT. Main concern would be how much he runs the QB. There's the guy at ASU too.

 

[NFBuck]

48+ hours later, I still cannot comprehend that absolutely BRAIN DEAD game plan. What. The. Fuck?

 

[OHSportsFan]

Did Howard get worse? He very well may have, but the only bright spot really was right before halftime. I went back and looked after reading your post, we threw more than I thought after watching it again.

Drive 1: we move the ball, kick 3

End of 1st Q.

Drive 2: starting on our 3 or 4, after we had a 4th down stand, we run, run, and throw a pick.
Drive 3: Howard hurt, comes back in, missed FG
Drive 4: Forced to throw, TD drive

End of 2nd Q.

Drive 5: starting at our own 6: run, run (some boos), pass for 1st down. Pass for another 1st down. Run, pass deflected, screen pass/dump off for a 1st down across the 50. Incomplete pass, wr screen, pass thrown late and behind Ebuka it's now 4th down. We punt and pin them down to the 5.

We hold em, we get ball back on their side of the 50.

Drive 6: big run gain of 17, 1st down. Run, run, pass for a 1st down. Run, run, interception.

Caleb Downs INT.

Drive 7: run, bootleg right throwback to TE left for a loss - now its 3rd and 10 - HB delay. Missed FG.

End of 3rd Q.

Sawyer INT.

Drive 8: Run bounced outside gain of 5, pass dropped by Tate, Howard scrambles comes up 1 yard short. 4th and 1, punt.

Drive 9: After a series of unfortunate events, we have no timeouts and 45 seconds left, down on the scoreboard. We go incomplete, complete on a check down, incomplete, incomplete.

Game.

Outside of the defense giving up the 3rd and 6 run late…that Tate drop on 2nd and 5 will haunt me. Momentum after the INT and positive yards on 1st (for once!). He was sure-handed all day. Then he drops one probably with some room to run upfield.

 

[OHSportsFan]

48+ hours later, I still cannot comprehend that absolutely BRAIN DEAD game plan. What. The. Fuck?

And no one stopped and thought WTF are we doing? There’s halftime. There’s 800 4-minute commercials.

I will never understand how no one stepped up and said we gotta do something different. Throw a trick play, tempo, speed option again. Wildcat. Anything!

Instead we got 4 hours of malpractice and a shitty feeling with them having the upper hand for another year. Sickening.

 

[NFBuck]

And no one stopped and thought WTF are we doing? There’s halftime. There’s 800 4-minute commercials.

I will never understand how no one stepped up and said we gotta do something different. Throw a trick play, tempo, speed option again. Wildcat. Anything!

Instead we got 4 hours of malpractice and a shitty feeling with them having the upper hand for another year. Sickening.

My brain goes numb just thinking about it. Unbelievable. Unforgivable.

 

[System_id]

And no one stopped and thought WTF are we doing? There’s halftime. There’s 800 4-minute commercials.

I will never understand how no one stepped up and said we gotta do something different. Throw a trick play, tempo, speed option again. Wildcat. Anything!

Instead we got 4 hours of malpractice and a shitty feeling with them having the upper hand for another year. Sickening.

Legit would've rather have seen 40 WR screens that get blown up than the disgraceful play calling Saturday.

At the WR screens would've made sense.

 

[RugbyBuck]

Especially as I just don't think we've been a great or even really good rushing team this year. For all the yapping about taking over the State Penn game on the ground the last drive, no shit, that's our fucking job. That's what we're supposed to do every week. Instead, it's been, meh. Yes, both 1 and 32 have had high ypc numbers, but we've not overpowered anyone and neither has had the seasons we expected. I don't blame them for that. I blame the line injuries and lack of quality depth and I blame Kelly. Wtf? His UCLA teams were better running the ball. This was supposed to be his thing. Instead, we've simply wasted talent.

 

[Poe McKnoe]

48+ hours later, I still cannot comprehend that absolutely BRAIN DEAD game plan. What. The. Fuck?

Chip Kelly looking at his play sheet on Saturday:

 

[pnuts34]

 

[Jaxbuck]

But let’s keep giving this fucking genius HC and the fucked up staffs he puts together some more rope.

The light is about to come on any minute now.