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That is one helluva post by you XC. I still couldnt believe after the game all the yards they had, b/c I felt the D didnt play that bad. I thought overall the D, played good and came out and dominated the second half.

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No way you can spin it? I just watched the Minnesota game again…and now watching it a second time, I’m even less worried about how the defense played in that game. They did exactly what they wanted to do. Stopped the run except for one play…and forced Minnesota to pass. Who knew that their QB was going to throw PERFECT balls all game like he did. He had to throw it perfect, because our DBs were all over their receivers except for ONE play where Yoboty got schooled…and other than that I think he showed great poise and had a good game.<O:p</O:p
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Look…our defense has played a MUCH tougher offensive schedule than the 2002 team did. And we've done better statistically than did the 2002 team. The ONLY reason that you could say the 2002 squad was better is because of turnovers. And I think that is what could make the 2002 squad a little better than the 2005 squad, but "far superior"? Give me a break. That's crazy. Like I’ve said before...I would still take our defense over any in the country. We forced Minnesota into one dimension...same with every team we’ve played. Minny threw up a lot of balls for grabs and got lucky. Our defense has done EVERYTHING it has needed to this year. NOBODY has been able to run the ball on us all year. That's a fact. The season isn't over. The end of the season is what made the 2002 defense so amazing. Give this defense a chance to do the same. I'm not saying the 2005 defense is better than the 2002 defense was. I think the 2002 defense was one of the best defenses college football has seen in quite a few years. But to say the 2005 defense isn't "great" is just plain wrong. They are the best rushing defense in the country. Even if they aren't #1 right now in rushing defense...they've freaking played Texas and Minnesota, the two best rushing teams in the country!!! And they are still #3. If you are THAT GOOD in rushing defense...you are a great defense. And there is no way you can spin that. <O:p</O:p
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Here is the comparison I have for the 2002 and 2005 defenses as far as points allowed and yards allowed:<O:p</O:p

The 2002 defense:<O:p</O:p
Gave up 320.9 yards per game.<O:p</O:p
Opposing offenses had 406.6 yards per game.<O:p</O:p
Difference of 85.8 per game.<O:p</O:p
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Gave up 13.1 points a game.<O:p</O:p
Opposing offenses scored 29.1 points per game. <O:p</O:p
Difference of 16.0 points per game.<O:p</O:p
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Now look at the 2005 defense:<O:p</O:p
Have given up 295.2 yards per game (already more than 25 less per game than 2002)<O:p</O:p
Opposing offenses are getting 443.8 ypg (more than 35 more than)<O:p</O:p
Difference of 148.6 yards per game. (62.8 ypg more than 2002)

Have given up 16.6 points per game.<O:p</O:p
Opposing offenses are averaging 33.6 points per game. <O:p</O:p
That’s a difference of 17.0 points per game. (1 point more than 2002)<O:p</O:p
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So in conclusion:<O:p</O:p
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2002 defense gives up 85.8 less yards and 16.0 less points per game.<O:p</O:p
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2005 defense gives up 148.6 less yards and 17.0 less points per game.

And you are telling me that the 2002 defeinse is "far superior" to the 2005 defense. I just don't see it. Maybe in turnovers. That's the only place I see an advantage.
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We have a very good D this year, no question. Any comments I have regarding our D relate specifically to the Minnesota game and even more so to the first half (although 135 yards in the 3rd quarter is nothing to brag about). Arguments to the contrary seem to center around the idea that Minnesota had a really good offense.

Come again?

Good pitching stops good hitting. A good D stops a good O. That is what they do.

This was the second most yardage gained against an OSU D in the 114 year history of the program. They scored 31 points. None of those points were on turnovers or kick returns. They were ALL scored against the Defense. In fact Minnesota had to overcome poor field position the entire game (they started precisely one drive beyond their own 24 yard line). They had three 80 yard TD drives. You do not play good defense and have those results. You simply do not.

If you are trying to make the case that OSU has a good D this season nobody is arguing with you.
 
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I think you two are simply argueing over the definition of a GREAT defense at this point.
I am not concerned about this game, we just played the top rushing team in the nation, and for WHATEVER reason, their quarterback decided he wanted to be called peyton for one evening. Make no mistake that was the best game cupito has played probally EVER. He isnt that good, he was playing inspired football. Hard to stop an ELITE rushing team when their quarterback plays like that.
Go Bucks.. Now you two quit argueing and someone give me a hand here..

OH
 
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They got extremely lucky through the air. We blitzed the safety and they happened to run a 30 yard route over the middle (any longer or shorter and it would have not been a completion). Their jump balls were very risky, and they came away with all of them.

Our defense gave up 24 points, and then the backups yielded another 7. This is a great defense. Minnesota is a very talented offense, and Texas and Michigan State are elite offenses. In all three games, we yielded some first half plays, but clamped down on them in the second half (for the most part).
 
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just thought of this...i saw brian robiskie playing against minny and i do remember putting 5 vbucks on 1/815 odds of him playing
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You know those articles you read from time to time where somebody get a mistaken tax refund for $50,000,000 or something like that?

They don't actually get the money either.
 
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JonathanXC said:
Our defense has done EVERYTHING it has needed to this year.
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Yeah, except beat Texas and Penn State....

Look, nice try, well-delivered, and I applaud you for your enthusiasm, but ultimately your arguments are unconvincing. I've watched plenty of football and seen plenty of great defenses (and great offenses, too). Sorry, but the 2005 version of the Buckeyes' defense is not "great", either by the overall standards of college football, or by the far more limited standards of Buckeye football.

Hey, keep rooting, keep hoping, keeping dreaming - be a fan. I prefer to root on Saturdays, then take off the glasses and analyze this team during the remainder of the week. As a "fan", I believe in my heart that they are great; as an "objective observer", I know in my mind that they are not.
 
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Not sure you can put PSU or Texas on the D, LJB...

Texas
Ohio State scored on six straight possessions - 6... of course, most of them were FG's and it turns out, not enough points. OSU created TO's for the O, putting them in great position.... Not the D's fault. (Although, I have to admit the the general statement, they didn't do enouhj is true owing to the fact that OSU lost, thus the D coulda shoulda woulda done better to hold them out of the EZ one more time)

Penn State
OSU's O gives PSU the ball at the 1. The 1. OSU's D makes PSU take 3 plays putting it in. This score is essentially the difference in the game.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Not sure you can put PSU or Texas on the D, LJB...

Texas
Ohio State scored on six straight possessions - 6... of course, most of them were FG's and it turns out, not enough points. OSU created TO's for the O, putting them in great position.... Not the D's fault. (Although, I have to admit the the general statement, they didn't do enouhj is true owing to the fact that OSU lost, thus the D coulda shoulda woulda done better to hold them out of the EZ one more time)

Penn State
OSU's O gives PSU the ball at the 1. The 1. OSU's D makes PSU take 3 plays putting it in. This score is essentially the difference in the game.
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Well, the team lost, and the defense is part of the team....

I'd be hard-pressed to find greatness in any two-loss team. Maybe the 1974 squad, which got screwed by the officials at Michigan State, then lost by a point in a rather meaningless Rose Bowl....

14-0 is great; 6-2 isn't.

Allowing 577 yards isn't great; neither is allowing 456, or 382 for that matter.

Allowing 31 points isn't great (especially to Minnesota, which isn't a "great" team in anybody's book).

Forcing one turnover per game isn't great.

Enough of the numbers - my eyes and my experience tell me that this isn't a great defense. Sorry....
 
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Great defense or not they were not responsible for the loss against Penn State. However, the defense gave up the game winning drive late in the 4th quarter against Texas, at home. As well as they played throughout that game that's not supposed to happen. Last week's performance against Minnesota was dreadful. The Baltimore Ravens have a great defense but lose games all the time because of their offense. The Buckeyes don't have a great defense this year but it's not because of the 2 losses.
 
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Originally Posted by FookMichiganTGJ
just thought of this...i saw brian robiskie playing against minny and i do remember putting 5 vbucks on 1/815 odds of him playing

he definitely played earlier (against sdsu?), and caught a pass
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Isn't the payout on that bet about 0.0012269938650306748466257668711656?
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Well, the team lost, and the defense is part of the team....

I'd be hard-pressed to find greatness in any two-loss team. Maybe the 1974 squad, which got screwed by the officials at Michigan State, then lost by a point in a rather meaningless Rose Bowl....
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Sorry, LJB, I've gotta call you on this one.

I attended that 'rather meaningless Rose Bowl'. At the time, tOSU was #3 in the AP poll, behind #1 Oklahoma and #2 Alabama. Behind us in that poll were #4 scUM (whom we'd just beaten), and #5 USC. Alabama lost their second straight Orange Bowl that day, 13-11 to ND (who had 2 losses). Oklahoma was on probation, so USC won the UPI-Coaches NC that year with a loss and a tie, the first time that the final coaches poll was taken after the bowl games.

If we had won that Rose Bowl, 1974 would be another NC year for tOSU, despite the loss to MSU. And we would have had ND to thank for it.
 
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