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O-Zone (Official Thread)

As much as it rips me up to see our Bucks fall short, our two losses have been to 2 teams that are in top 10 and well could end up in top 5. Imho, player performance lost the hard fought Texas game...having nothing to do with play calling. The major turning point against PSU was the interception; other than that, I think Bucks prevail.

I have always been puzzled why Ohio State football cannot command first class, Div. 1A quarterbacks in our stable of players. Obviously, it ain't simple, but I see lesser programs get these phenomenal QBs and RBs, and wonder why and how.

I remain optimistic about this team and especially about JT. Wish we weren't 3-2, but we are.
 
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I also dno't understand how w can get mad at Tress for talking up his team. What do you want him to do say we suck. I don't think we lost either of the games b/c we were too over confident.

A coach should never "talk up" his team...that is a no-win situation. If the team performs like the coach says, then the team is no more than living up to expectations. If the team doesn't, then the coach is hung out to dry for not delivering. No one is saying that Tressel should've talked down his team, but don't talk it up and not expect to get called out on it when the team doesn't deliver. When an offense:

1. Fails to capitalize (TDs, not FGs) on at least one of the three turnovers inside enemy territory in one of our biggest OOC game in history, eventually costing us the game, and...

2. Continuously turns the ball over deep inside enemy territory, including fumbles inside the opponents' 5 yard line by the same RB in consectutive games, two fumbles inside their 10 in the same game, and your QB drops the ball four times in a game, and...

3. Can't score more than 10 points, regardless of weather, venue, or injury situation...

...then you're in need of some significant adjustments, in either players, schemes, coaching, or all three.
 
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It's called expectancy disconfirmation theory (try Google!).
  • Exceed an expectation and people are satisfied.
  • Meet an expectation and people feel neutral.
  • Fail to meet an expectation and people feel negative
Tressel set the expectation and we all believed the "explosive" offense story because he did. I am a real fan of his, but in this case, he blew it and he only has himself to blame.

Now, let's win out!
 
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It is the same things team say after they play us. we knew what they were going to do, but they are just good.

You don't have to be ultra creative to have a good offense or defense like some on here seem to think.
you are satisfied with that? they know what we are going to do, and we are DEAD LAST in offense in the Big Ten... freaking Illinois and Indiana are better on O than we are? that is acceptable to you?

i agree that you don't need to be ultra creative to have a good offense. what you need is a desire to be good on offense, and Tressel clearly does not care about having a good offense... by his own admission this week, he hoped for a TD on ST and that the O would merely contribute... it's a fucking waste.

you can blame it on player execution all you want, but eventually, after 4+ seasons of bad player execution, it becomes painfully obvious that the staff does not stress excellent offense enough to eliminate such bad plays...

sorry if that hurts, but the bottom line is that the Offense is Tressel's baby, and the offense sucks donkey balls...

i'm not asking for a top ten offense, but is top 50 so bad?
 
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our expectactions are so high because tressel said so? ummm... not so much no.. any fool who watched this team last year saw the raw talent and potential on offense. and every single one of us joked regularly this time last year that "at least we can't get any worse on offense". how many of us honestly believed we would still be making those jokes halfway through this season? show of hands please... no one? really? are you serious? no one on this board thought we would have the worst offense in the big 10 midway through the season?

i sometimes wonder if people fully grasp why they hated coop so much. almost all of us hated him, but how many of us really understand why. i often get the answer, "because he couldn't win against scum" or "he couldn't win the big games". that isn't the answer. that isn't why we all hated coop. those were the "symptoms" of our hatred, NOT the cause. we hated coop because there were games every year that he didn't do everything in his power to win. he didn't put his players in the best possible position to succeed. he didn't leave it all out on the field. people may love a winner. but they also love a guy who goes out and regardless of who he is up against gives it everything he has. the all go no quit regardless of the situation or the consiquences kind of guy. on the flip side, people absolutely without question can not stomach someone who goes out and gives less than he's got. winning or loosing is irrelivant. THAT is why people are getting down on tressel right now. we are starting to feel that, right wrong or indifferent, tressel is not doing everything he can to win.

many fans of tOSU, and the mass majority on sites like this, don't look at tOSU as a football team. but rather as an extended family. aj hawk isn't just some guy we root for on saturday's. he's almost like a godson. so when we see our guys out there giving it everything they have, then we get the feeling that maybe their coach isn't... now we have the makings of what could be a very volitile situation. thats not to say tressel is trying to loose. but even the belief htat he isn't putting the team in the best possible position to win regardless of the reasons. thats going to garner a very negative reaction right fast. that imo is what is happening here. people are looking at this offense, looking at what they have accomplished, looking at tressel and starting to think "your letting them down". that doesn't mean tressel is the only problem. but to exclude him from being a part of the problem would be foolish. he himself would be the first to state, "the buck stops here". well mr. tressel the buck is rapidly coming to a halt... balls in your court on what you want to do about it.

*continues waiting impatiently*
 
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This isn't a case of overreacting to a couple of tough losses. Its 5 years of pent up frustration with an underperforming offense.

Different players, different schemes, plenty of NFL talent...the only consistents are terrible production and the same coaches.

I really wish people would stop trying to paint anyone who criticizes JT as an overzealous fan who just can't deal with a loss. I haven't seen anyone yet call for JT's job, I think we all appreciate all the great things he brings to OSU.

What myself and a lot of others are saying is replace some or all of the offensive coaching staff and if JT can't or won't see the need for this then perhaps there is a bigger problem than we thought at work here.

I for one absolutely refuse to accept that we can't be good at all 3 phases of the game and have a USC, Miami, Nebraska type of mini dynasty here at OSU.

If that's being unrealistic or expecting too much then I am guilty as hell.

As time goes on, I'm falling more and more into Jax's camp. However, going into it deeper, we have a threefold issue: scheme, execution AND personnel.

Starting with personnel -- I've read with rapt interest on various boards about how we "couldn't get a top notch TB because of Clarett". Fine. How about a big one? We're using a converted FB as a short yardage back because we haven't recruited anyone close to MoC's size (232 playing weight, if I remember right) since the "unchosen one". This team has had no power running game since mid 2002. That's fundamental.

Moving to execution -- We've beaten o-line issues to death...it had problems in 2002, even, and was probably the weakest link of that team. QBs have consistently made bad reads, save Krenzel. Even then, I remember many complaints about his distribution of the ball and horrible PA.

Now to scheme -- OSU has consistently been predictable as to run/pass with formation, no matter what formations we've used. Currently, you can watch where the TB is lined up and predict plays. That helps out a defense tremendously. I'm fine with doing that, if you flat out BUST the safties for cheating. When you don't, I have to wonder what the point is of being predictable. I don't agree with the critics of zone blocking completely -- it's a perfectly sound system when executed correctly. If for whatever reason the coaches can't get it implemented, then that's a failure at practice, not of the scheme. Basically, it doesn't appear as if there's been any attempt over the years to disguise what this offense is doing. I'm not talking flea-flicker playground trash, I'm just talking about basic misdirection, play action, well-executed draws...traditional play calling that takes advantage of a defense for guessing wrong or being too aggressive. Stuff that backs them off a little. Want to run 8-9 in the box? Fine. Here's a perfect PA pass to Ginn or Holmes. Thanks for putting your CBs on an island for us. No 360 degree slow-developing spin moves, no half-hearted fake to the TB, I mean an in-the-gut-and out play fake that fools the ABC camera man, 100k fans, the officiating staff and the guys in the booth. I'm talking about a draw play on second and ten when you have Ginn and Holmes out wide and Gonzo in the slot, and a TE crossing over the middle. Instead, we let defenses predict us as if we'd signaled the play in to their MLB.

Jax is arguing that the only consistent problems are coaches and lack of performance, but there's more. Even with player changes, we've had TB issues since JT arrived, with the exception of a handful of games in 2002. We've had very similar QB play issues no matter who is running the show. We've had OL issues. Schemes have changed, but the theme of predictability remains, as does the theme of not taking advantage of defenses when they bite on that predictability.

Ultimately, whether it's recruiting, scheme, or execution, the end result is that it's the coaches who need to make the changes. The HUGE FRUSTRATION about the whole thing is that Tressel seems to whistle along and not concede that there is a problem. Most fans would LOVE to hear him just lay out that there IS a problem, that he's working on areas X, Y, and Z, and then see some actual progress.

Grading out the whole offense as a failure for one week and handing out no Buckeye leaves simply isn't enough when the same issues reappear a game later.
 
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My question is this: If offense is so damned fragile (and obviously JT thinks so because he is so scared of any actions on the offense's part will cost them the game) then why is he so damned involved with it? Is he so paranoid that he feels that he MUST have control of the most dangerous and potentially costly part of the game?

Do OSU QBs audible?
 
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i sometimes wonder if people fully grasp why they hated coop so much. almost all of us hated him, but how many of us really understand why. i often get the answer, "because he couldn't win against scum" or "he couldn't win the big games". that isn't the answer. that isn't why we all hated coop. those were the "symptoms" of our hatred, NOT the cause. we hated coop because there were games every year that he didn't do everything in his power to win. he didn't put his players in the best possible position to succeed. he didn't leave it all out on the field. people may love a winner. but they also love a guy who goes out and regardless of who he is up against gives it everything he has. the all go no quit regardless of the situation or the consiquences kind of guy. on the flip side, people absolutely without question can not stomach someone who goes out and gives less than he's got. winning or loosing is irrelivant. THAT is why people are getting down on tressel right now. we are starting to feel that, right wrong or indifferent, tressel is not doing everything he can to win.

You are so right...I'm know we won't hit on all cyclinders every game...I know we want to get better as the season progresses...I know we don't want our offense to peak mid-season as it did under Coop...I know that much of JT's offensive philosophies are sound...

But...we are underacheiving on offense and one common denominator (among many) seems to JT himself.

I think our offense should score 3 TD's against any opponent - even on an off day.

I think it's right that we demand the same level of excellence from our offense as we do from our defense and special teams.

I think excellence is measured in the positive - scoring touchdowns; and in the negative - no turnovers.

I think "putting our team in a position to win" means making the opposing team play from behind, rather than forcing our enemic offense to drive 95 yards for a tying TD on the road in the rain.
 
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Ozone Men's Bball preview

http://www.theozone.net/hoops/05-06mens/preseason/preview.htm

Men's Basketball
Buckeyes Will be Better in 2005-2006
By John Porentas
"I know this, we are better on paper, and in physical talent, than we were last year." -----Ohio State assistant basketball coach Dan Peters
There is quiet optimism in the Buckeye basketball program.
In Thad Matta's first season as head coach OSU put together a 20-12 season that included an 8-8 Big Ten record and a thrilling last-minute win over top-ranked and then-unbeaten Illinois in the season's last regularly-scheduled game. Matta and his coaches think this year's squad should be better.
The Buckeyes open this season minus four players from last year's squad; reserve center Mat Marinchick, guard Tony Stockman and guard Brandon Fuss-Cheatham were all lost to graduation, and forward Jermyl Jackson-Wilson elected to transfer. Returners include guards Jamar Butler (sophomore, 6-2, 200), and Je'Kel Foster (senior, 6-3, 210), J.J. Sullinger (senior, 6-5, 215), forwards Ivan Harris (junior, 6-7, 215) and Matt Sylvester (senior 6-7, 230), and centers Matt Terwilliger (6-8, 230) and Terence Dials (6-9, 260).
Joining OSU's seven returners are junior college transfer guard Sylvester Mayes (6-1, 190) who will have two years of eligibility, transfer guard Ron Lewis (6-4, 195) who will also have two years of eligibility, and true freshman forward Braydon Bell (6-8, 255).
The Buckeyes will play the season short two players as a voluntary penalty for the NCAA infractions which occurred during the coaching tenure former OSU Head Coach Jim O'Brien. Despite the shortage in numbers, the Buckeyes, at least on paper, are a deeper team this season.
"We're 10 deep, but we just so happen to have just 10 guy," said Sullinger.
"It's kind of a unique situation in that we have ten guys all who can play, who are good players, and with coaches system guys are going to be running in and out all the time anyways," added Sylvester. "We're going to be able to get up and down and really surpise some teams I think," Sylvester said.
The Buckeyes do in fact appear to be more athletic than last season, and will have a core of returners, including Lewis who practiced with the team last season while sitting out a year after his transfer, who have had a year in Matta's system.
"I like the fact that eight of the ten guys have been in the program before," said Matta.
"I think honestly this time last year I didn't know much about our players, so I think we go in with little better base of what these guys are capable of, and by the same token, I'm looking forward to seeing how much they've improved in the off-season. I think having a familiarity with them as players, as people, maybe the buttons to push, those are key to the impact of being in a program for a while," Matta said.
Where the Buckeyes need to get better
There is absolutely no hesitation in his answer when Matta talks about his team's most glaring weakness last season.
"I think rebounding and defense are two of the things we have to do a better job of," said Matta.
Matta and his staff think the defense will improve as their players become more and more familiar with their defensive system. What concerns them the most is the team's rebounding.
"On defense, if we don't do anything, we're going to be better just because we have better athletes," said Peters.
"I thought that last year of all the teams I've been around it was the poorest rebounding team I've ever been around," Peters said.
"If we can improve in our rebounding and guarding the ball, I think we'll right, because we share the ball pretty good, and we've got kids that are pretty smart and they work pretty hard, so I think those would be the two areas we need to work on."
The coaching staff has gotten the message through to their players, the rebounding must be better.
"We definitely need to rebound," said Sullinger.
"We didn't rebound at all last year. I think we were like 10th. It's our goal to be in the top half, if not the best rebounding team in the Big Ten."
Sullinger listed the keys to improvement in that area.
"I think it's between your ears. You've got to be mentally tough and always go to the board and rebound. You can't pick and choose, you always have to go, you have to be consistent. It also comes along with the weight room, and we've worked extremely hard in the weight room this summer," Sullinger said.
"I think honestly I hope everybody can rebound the ball, because we're a team that is going to have to gang rebound the basketball. I don't think we have a David West or a Dennis Rodman that I can so on any given night, he's getting 12 rebounds," said Matta.
"I think that has to be something that we have to do a better job of teaching , of getting guys to pursue rebounds and coming up with them. I think last year we led the country in balls that hit our hands that we didn't come up with. Getting them to understand the term 'Snatch it' and come down with the ball. That has to be a huge priority with these guys," Matta said.
If the Buckeyes can indeed rebound, they could be a very good team in 2005. Thats because the Buckeyes will have strength on the perimeter and will likely go with a three guard lineup. Here is a breakdown of each position and the players available to fill them.
Point Guard
Brandon Fuss-Cheatham is gone but Jamar Butler returns for his sophomore season. Butler had a solid freshman year, but expects to be an improved player this season.
"I'm a lot more comfortable because I know what to expect now to be out there playing when the lights are on. I know what to expect now, I know what it's like, so I'm a lot more comfortable," said Butler.
"I think Jamar last year had a tremendous freshman year," said Matta.
"Some people look at points or that sort of thing as how he did, but I think he established himself as a good defender and I hope he's even better this year. He worked very hard this summer on shooting the ball. I think Jamar can be a 33%+ three point shooter. Last year he was at 23%. Getting that up is going to be huge for him, and I think he's more comfortable with what he's doing," said Matta.
"I'm going to be looking to score, get to the rim, try and make plays this year instead of just run the team," said Butler.
"I'm going to look to make a lot of plays and make things happen. That's why I've worked on my shot so much. Last year I had a lot of teams sagging off on me because my shot wouldn't fall."
The good new for the Buckeyes is that Butler probably really is an improved player. The bad news is that this position is the only one on the team at which there is no real backup to the starter.
"There's no doubt that Jamar is really critical, because he's probaly the only pure point guard we have," said Peters.
Butler's ability to avoid foul trouble will be a real key for the Buckeyes this season. When he is off the floor, the Buckeyes will probably have a patchwork system in place. An off guard like Foster or Mayes or Lewis will probably bring the ball up the floor, but none of those players is especially adept at running an offense. Instead, the Buckeyes will probably look to a point forward to make plays at the offensive end when Butler is off the floor.
"(Last year) One of our best ball handlers and passers was Mat Sylvester. Last year we put him in positions where he was handling the ball," said Matta.
Sylvester said he would welcome that role.
"I don't know that you guys would ever want to see me bringing the ball up court against a little quick guy, but I think in a way that became my role last year. A lot of plays were run through me because I feel like I have good passing ability. I would love that role because I feel like I could get it done. Point forward, that just sounds good," Sylvester said.
Two Guard
Je'Kel Foster returns at the two guard and newcomer Sylvester Mayes will definitely see time at that spot as well. Mayes is a pure scorer who has the ability to shoot it from outside and can also put it on the floot and take it to the rack. Foster brings strength and toughness to the position, is a good three-point shooter and a ferocious defender.
"What Ja'Kel has meant to this program has been invaluable from the standpoint of leadership and competitiveness,"" said Matta.
"We wanted Ja'Kel to become a little bit more athletic and explosive, and I think he's done that," Matta said.
"I think that Sylvester Mayes is a kid that has played at a great junior college, has played at the highest level of junior college basketball, won a ton of games there, competed for a national championship," Matta said.
"He's (Mayes) very quick, very quick, and he can get to the rim," said Butler. "He's a scorer. He can really score."
Three Guard
Two athletic and talented players will man the three guard spot, Sullinger and Lewis.
Sullinger brings extreme athleticism to the position and showed flashes of brilliance last year, but sometimes disappeared at critical times during the season. Lewis is perhaps the most potent scorer on the Buckeye roster this season. Like Sullinger, he is extremely athletic and can score both inside and out. Both Sullinger and Lewis will be called on to rebound as well, and both have the athletic ability to get that job done. It remains to be seen if Lewis can defend, and he did have some turnover problems while playing at Bowling Green in his freshman and sophomore seasons.
Power Forward
Last year's starter at power forward, Ivan Harris, and the number one sub at that position, Mat Sylvester, both return this season. Harris' season last year was disappointing from the standpoint of defense, rebounding, and the ability to play in close to the basket. Harris settled for threes, and when they were falling, he was a weapon. Too often, however, he was a no-show from the outside and had no other aspect to his game to fall back on. Harris says that will not be the case this season.
"I'm trying to get to the rack, trying to get to the bucket instead of pulling up for the three. I know I can shoot the three, but I'm trying to put more into my game, round out my game," said Harris.
Harris did work on those aspects of his game in the Worthington Summer League and in that setting looked like he had the tools to improve his game. If he does, the Buckeyes will be much better off for it. If he doesn't, he could find himself on the bench next to the coaching staff much of the time this season. Harris says not to look for him on the bench.
"I'm doing it. I'm not just saying, I'm doing it," said Harris. "That's the main focus for me."
Sylvester was OSU's sixth man last season, but could very well be the starter at forward this year.
"Mat is coming off what I thought was a very good year last year," said Matta.
"I thought that he played more consistently down the stretch, but he was one that had to get himself in better shape to be able to compete at the level we wanted him to compete at, and I think he's done that. I think he feels more comfortable in how we play and what we're trying to do and use him as an offensive threat.
"Even last year I had started talking to Matt when he started playing well and he said 'Coach, I don't want to start. I like my role on this team.' I hope for him that it has changed. The great thing I know about Mat is that whatever we need for him to do, he's going to do for us to have a chance to win. In my mind, I hope he's come in saying 'In my mind, if startting spot is there, I want a crack at it,'" Matta said.
Also available at forward is incoming freshman Braydon Bell. Bell will have trouble taking minutes from Sylvester, but if Harris does not become more physical on the glass and get to the rack, Bell may get significant playing time this season. He needs some work in the weight room, but can shoot it from three point range.
"I think Braydon comes in and brings some size and skill level that we can use," said Matta.
Center
The discussion at center starts with Terence Dials this year, but Dials may actually have a little help at center this year. Matt Terwilliger is back for his sophomore season, and Terwilliger says he is an improved player.
"I thought I was playing hard last year, and I wasn't. I had no idea what hard work was. I've been pushing myself to that next level in everything I'm doing just so I'm ready this year. I feel real good about it. I'm in much better shape than I was in last year. I feel like I could run all day," Terwilliger said.
Terwilliger did not log much playing time last season, but went to Europe with the Big Ten all-star team this summer. Terwilliger says that trip was very good for him.
"That was a wonderful trip. It was unbelievable," said Terwilliger.
"We stayed right across the street from the beach in Barcelona. It doesn't get much better than that, and it gave me some great experience playing. I got like 30 minutes a game," Terwilliger said.
According to Matta, Dials has done what he needs to do to have a good season, but still has room for improvement in his game.
"I think with Terence it all starts with his conditioning and getting him in great shape, both physically and mentally. I hope that Terence can continue to develop. I think his game will expand a little bit more and be a little more productive in the post, and maybe he'll step out a little bit more, but we need Terence to be a very good defender down on the block," Matta said.
The Buckeyes will open their exhibiton season this Sunday at the Value City Arena with a game against the University of Findlay Oilers at 2:00 PM.
 
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Power Forward
Last year's starter at power forward, Ivan Harris, and the number one sub at that position, Mat Sylvester, both return this season. Harris' season last year was disappointing from the standpoint of defense, rebounding, and the ability to play in close to the basket. Harris settled for threes, and when they were falling, he was a weapon. Too often, however, he was a no-show from the outside and had no other aspect to his game to fall back on. Harris says that will not be the case this season.
"I'm trying to get to the rack, trying to get to the bucket instead of pulling up for the three. I know I can shoot the three, but I'm trying to put more into my game, round out my game," said Harris.
Harris did work on those aspects of his game in the Worthington Summer League and in that setting looked like he had the tools to improve his game. If he does, the Buckeyes will be much better off for it. If he doesn't, he could find himself on the bench next to the coaching staff much of the time this season. Harris says not to look for him on the bench.
"I'm doing it. I'm not just saying, I'm doing it," said Harris. "That's the main focus for me."
Sylvester was OSU's sixth man last season, but could very well be the starter at forward this year.
"Mat is coming off what I thought was a very good year last year," said Matta.
"I thought that he played more consistently down the stretch, but he was one that had to get himself in better shape to be able to compete at the level we wanted him to compete at, and I think he's done that. I think he feels more comfortable in how we play and what we're trying to do and use him as an offensive threat.
"Even last year I had started talking to Matt when he started playing well and he said 'Coach, I don't want to start. I like my role on this team.' I hope for him that it has changed. The great thing I know about Mat is that whatever we need for him to do, he's going to do for us to have a chance to win. In my mind, I hope he's come in saying 'In my mind, if startting spot is there, I want a crack at it,'" Matta said.
Also available at forward is incoming freshman Braydon Bell. Bell will have trouble taking minutes from Sylvester, but if Harris does not become more physical on the glass and get to the rack, Bell may get significant playing time this season. He needs some work in the weight room, but can shoot it from three point range.
"I think Braydon comes in and brings some size and skill level that we can use," said Matta.

Technically, the writing is absolutely atrocious, but at least someone finally has an accurate handle on the forward spot this year. Clearly it hasn't been decided yet, but I think it would be wise to start Syl. You're putting four seniors on the floor to start the game and to guide JB along, and your weaknesses (defense and rebounding) are all on the bench. Need some threes? Bring Ivan in. Need someone to slash to the cup? Mayes and/or Lewis. I have to believe, though, that our best lineup is:

JB
Je'Kel
JJ
Syl
TDials

I also love the idea of running the offense through Syl while JB rests. I'd wager that Syl is one of the best passers on the team, both in terms of vision and decision making.
 
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