tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
Oh8ch;1161139; said:
because minimal diligence = inability to later plead ignorance.
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because minimal diligence = inability to later plead ignorance.
From a previous post in January
Also interesting that USC coach tried to defend his receipt of tickets because they were from a friend of the family.
OSUBasketballJunkie;1076007; said:
Should we interpret that his "I have tried to be very careful" must refer to being caught rather than accepting benefits?
Also interesting that USC coach tried to defend his receipt of tickets because they were from a friend of the family.
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buckeyes_rock
Great day to be a Buckeye
LitlBuck;1161232; said:who just happened to be Carmelo Anthony:) OJ denies everything
right and Melo happens to be a client of Mayos now agent right?
I just watched the report on ESPN online. Sounds like mama knew it that Rodney guy was bad from the get-go. Unbelievable that people have been using this kid since jr high. I almost feel bad for OJ. Relax, I said almost.
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I know what you are trying to say, but I can't begin to feel sorry for kids like this.
#1 - he hasn't been hurt by it. I haven't read where somebody came and took his tv. And the NBA will still be ponying up millions.
#2 - this is not a kid who got where he is through his work ethic. I am sure he has played a ton of basketball and through the eyes of someone who hates to shoot layups it may even look like work. But this kid was blessed with talent and quickness and for the next 10-15 years money is going to rain on him.
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So Troy Smith recieves a $500 handshake and sits out two games (one of which is a bowl game). OJ receives a $460 handshake and it is no harm no foul?
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Tlangs;1161291; said:
That incident was from February; but I don't Mayo for taking those tickets, if he actually did check with Floyd first, as the coached asserted. And since 'Melo had known Mayo for over 5 years, the relationship qualified as 'pre-existiing'.
But the NCAA needs to re-think that 'friends' relationship based on the contact starting while the kid was still in grade school. How many runners/agents/sleezeballs will be trying to start up a 'friendship' with Michael Avery (8th grader who recently verballed to KY) and other kids like that in order to try to skirt that rule?
Edit - since Mayo was playing varsity HS basketball when he was in the 7th grade, his relationships should have needed to start before that in order to pass the NCAA regulations. But they apparently aren't worded that way.
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jimotis4heisman
Banned
oj got tickets, troy got money.
two different things. they have past histories (whats the lawyer term?) that they base this all on...
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Folanator
Brawndo's got electrolytes...
Oh8ch;1161255; said:
I for one do feel sorry for the kid. He is a pampered athlete that has not been able to say no to the slimebag hangers-on. It isn't like he used a dead girls credit card for personal gain. He just sounds weak, not necessarily bad.
Also, I think it is somewhat absurd to assert that he has not worked hard to get to the talent level he is today. I do not care how much genetics you have in your favor, you have to put in the time to develop that kind of skill. He obviously has show tremendous dedication to becoming a NBA level player. He's not 7' 4".
I have to question USC in this case. They are way past the point of just saying "we didn't know about it" and have moved firmly into the "we are not doing our job" territory. This is the definition of lack of control IMO. I would not give them the death penalty, but they deserve a serious smack down. The freeken guy that was banned for another transgression was there when OJ's letter of intent was faxed in. You think they might have wondered if this was going to be an issue and did their freeken job? Seriously. The excuses are not plausable when you take into account Jarret and Bush.
What the old saying? Fooled once shame on you. Fooled twice shame on me. Well this is third time, SHAME on USC.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Oh8ch;1161255; said:
I beg to differ, the kid is a certified asshole, no doubt, and adults have intervened on his behalf, letting him flit from program to program without paying consequences for his actions, but you don't do things with a basketball that he can do without working at it very, very hard.
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HailToMichigan
Maize and Blue Wahoo
Fact here is, the NCAA has got to get proactive - now - if they want this kind of thing to go away. USC's story might be longer than others, but this is a trend, not an isolated incident. The NCAA would like to think that these players appear out of a vacuum on Signing Day and show up with pure intentions, but as Billy Gillispie is proving by offering an 8th grader, their association with people other than their parents, teachers, and high school coaches starts LONG before junior year.
(Side note: I'm torn on my opinion regarding UK's offers to middle schoolers. On the one hand, what kind of a double standard would we set if we think it's so bad that agents and leech-types are inhabiting these basketball camps, but college coaches are allowed free reign? Coaches are just one more bunch, whispering in a kid's ear and building up his ego. Frankly, I think it's bad news for the recruiting world that scholarships are being offered so young. But then again, if their association with college coaches begins early, it might help to keep them focused on college eligibility and get a better influence in their life than a slimy agent.)
I digress though. The NCAA must be proactive here. They can't try and play whack-a-mole by punishing programs as evidence of impropriety appears. That is why I say they're headed for giving someone the death penalty. Sooner or later, it's bound to happen again, and they're going to look bad if they do it to the San Jose States of the world, especially if the violations appear to be not quite as bad as at the Alabamas and USCs.
The NCAA has got to educate these kids early. They should broaden the scope of their clearinghouse, get education programs going, and toughen up eligibility requirements. It's my understanding that a kid registers with the clearinghouse somewhat late in their high school career, and it covers only their academic eligibility. (I could be wrong about this. My personal experiences with college recruiting are limited to one letter, received when I was a college first-year because the school in question thought I was a high school junior.) Here's what I think should happen:
- Clearinghouse registration allowed as early as freshman year.
- Expand the scope of the clearinghouse to cover amateur status as well as academic eligibility.
- No coach contact with an unregistered athlete.
- Mandatory education for registered athletes. Who's telling the athletes, hey, that guy is going to jeopardize your eligibility and ruin your chosen school? They leave it up to the coaches. This is where the NCAA needs to be involved. Hold mandatory seminars that coincide with these offseason camps, and once a year at the high schools. Allow no university presence at camps that fail to comply and allow the seminars. Pound it into the kid's head that he needs to be responsible for his conduct. No scholarship for a kid who hasn't attended at least one seminar for every year he's been registered at the clearinghouse.
I don't like it that a greedy ballplayer who's had bloodsuckers and sycophants talking to him all this time can roll through a school like a tornado and leave the program with his mess, simply because he's been "professional" since he was 14.
It would help if the NBA went ahead and raised the age limit to 20 like they're talking about so that a player has a bigger incentive to stay clean - two years of downtime between high school and the pros is a lot. It would help even more if they somehowe tied NBA eligibility to college eligibility. But there are people who complain when the NBA tries to set a simple age limit, so that would be hard to get by. Regardless, the NCAA can't wait for the NBA to fix their problems.
(Side note: I'm torn on my opinion regarding UK's offers to middle schoolers. On the one hand, what kind of a double standard would we set if we think it's so bad that agents and leech-types are inhabiting these basketball camps, but college coaches are allowed free reign? Coaches are just one more bunch, whispering in a kid's ear and building up his ego. Frankly, I think it's bad news for the recruiting world that scholarships are being offered so young. But then again, if their association with college coaches begins early, it might help to keep them focused on college eligibility and get a better influence in their life than a slimy agent.)
I digress though. The NCAA must be proactive here. They can't try and play whack-a-mole by punishing programs as evidence of impropriety appears. That is why I say they're headed for giving someone the death penalty. Sooner or later, it's bound to happen again, and they're going to look bad if they do it to the San Jose States of the world, especially if the violations appear to be not quite as bad as at the Alabamas and USCs.
The NCAA has got to educate these kids early. They should broaden the scope of their clearinghouse, get education programs going, and toughen up eligibility requirements. It's my understanding that a kid registers with the clearinghouse somewhat late in their high school career, and it covers only their academic eligibility. (I could be wrong about this. My personal experiences with college recruiting are limited to one letter, received when I was a college first-year because the school in question thought I was a high school junior.) Here's what I think should happen:
- Clearinghouse registration allowed as early as freshman year.
- Expand the scope of the clearinghouse to cover amateur status as well as academic eligibility.
- No coach contact with an unregistered athlete.
- Mandatory education for registered athletes. Who's telling the athletes, hey, that guy is going to jeopardize your eligibility and ruin your chosen school? They leave it up to the coaches. This is where the NCAA needs to be involved. Hold mandatory seminars that coincide with these offseason camps, and once a year at the high schools. Allow no university presence at camps that fail to comply and allow the seminars. Pound it into the kid's head that he needs to be responsible for his conduct. No scholarship for a kid who hasn't attended at least one seminar for every year he's been registered at the clearinghouse.
I don't like it that a greedy ballplayer who's had bloodsuckers and sycophants talking to him all this time can roll through a school like a tornado and leave the program with his mess, simply because he's been "professional" since he was 14.
It would help if the NBA went ahead and raised the age limit to 20 like they're talking about so that a player has a bigger incentive to stay clean - two years of downtime between high school and the pros is a lot. It would help even more if they somehowe tied NBA eligibility to college eligibility. But there are people who complain when the NBA tries to set a simple age limit, so that would be hard to get by. Regardless, the NCAA can't wait for the NBA to fix their problems.
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