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O.J. Mayo (Official Thread)

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Gatorubet;1161855; said:
Tank Black was paying UF players like Jevon Kearse and others - and that was proven. The athletes admitted it in Black's trial. UF did not know of it at the time, but then it was UF and the University of Florida Police Department that initially arrested Black and turned the info into the NCAA.

The "they must have known" thing is the same easy claim for MoC and the UF guys and the USC deal now. Easy to say, but who really can prove that at this point?
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Coming from Youngstown I think that Jim Tressel SHOULD have known that Mo C was going to be a headache (in fact he did know what Clarett was all about from JT's days at YSU). I've argued that if Mo C was an 09 recruit he wouldn't be recruited by Ohio State. JT doesn't need to take risks on players like that now that he's established himself. But given Jim Tressel was brand new and you have the USA Today POY right down the road I don't think he had a choice (at the time).
 
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methomps;1161822; said:
But that's my point. When its a $400 tv, the reaction is "OMG how could USC not have known?" When its your player, its imagine the hypothetical ways this could be ok.
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Come on thomps...it's much more than a $400 TV. If all he got was a $400 TV then this discussion isn't happening. If TP was still driving that Corvette around then I would be worried. He borrowed a car for prom. There isn't a hypothetical way that it's ok because it is ok no matter which way you slice it. If he shows up for school in June in a tricked out Escalade then I expect someone to look into it.

It's thousands of dollars being handed out to players at USC. Ohio State self reports $500 to Troy Smith and espin calls for Jim Tressel and Andy Geiger to be fired. You don't think that OSU could cover up $500 for their starting QB if they wanted to? Reggie Bush gets a house and Mayo gets $30,000 and...(crickets). All USC is showing us is that if you don't self report and just plead ignorance then nothing will happen to you.

Again, there is nothing....NOTHING... of any substance surrounding Terrelle Pryor. There is a bunch of stuff that bloggers and writers and pissed off fans threw against the wall hoping to have something stick.

Again, sorry that USC's star players seem to be getting well paid by these runners, but don't try and bring Ohio State players into the discussion because there really isn't anything there to discuss. Has anyone peeked their head into Joe McKnight's dorm room lately?:biggrin:
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methomps;1161822; said:
But that's my point. When its a $400 tv, the reaction is "OMG how could USC not have known?" When its your player, its imagine the hypothetical ways this could be ok.
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Sorry, but it's not just OSU fans (or fans of other big-name schools) who are saying "OMG how could USC not have known?" Check out Forde's article on espn.com and Wynn's article on cnnsi.com if you don't believe me. This isn't at witch hunt being conducted by USC haters; it's a realization that there have been some really shady things going on at USC lately and that USC's strategy of "We didn't know" isn't going to cut it anymore.
 
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ysubuck;1161918; said:
Come on thomps...it's much more than a $400 TV. If all he got was a $400 TV then this discussion isn't happening. If TP was still driving that Corvette around then I would be worried. He borrowed a car for prom. There isn't a hypothetical way that it's ok because it is ok no matter which way you slice it. If he shows up for school in June in a tricked out Escalade then I expect someone to look into it.

It's thousands of dollars being handed out to players at USC. Ohio State self reports $500 to Troy Smith and espin calls for Jim Tressel and Andy Geiger to be fired. You don't think that OSU could cover up $500 for their starting QB if they wanted to? Reggie Bush gets a house and Mayo gets $30,000 and...(crickets). All USC is showing us is that if you don't self report and just plead ignorance then nothing will happen to you.

Again, there is nothing....NOTHING... of any substance surrounding Terrelle Pryor. There is a bunch of stuff that bloggers and writers and pissed off fans threw against the wall hoping to have something stick.

Again, sorry that USC's star players seem to be getting well paid by these runners, but don't try and bring Ohio State players into the discussion because there really isn't anything there to discuss. Has anyone peeked their head into Joe McKnight's dorm room lately?:biggrin:
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The $400 tv is the one thing that was pointed to in this thread as tangible evidence that USC should've seen. Mayo is alleged to have taken $30k over 4 years, but he's only been at USC for one. Thus, we don't really know right now what should've sparked further investigation and whether it did. People instantly pointed to the dorm tv.

If you watch the ESPN report, there was allegedly a lot of stuff given to Mayo's friends and not to Mayo directly. And the report says that the money from the agency dried up last summer before Mayo got to USC. That is when the fake charity stuff allegedly began.

So its hard to say what was plain and when it was. The NCAA conducted a hearing on the whole thing before Mayo came, so I think that shows just how under-the-surface things were.

buckeyesin07;1161936; said:
Sorry, but it's not just OSU fans (or fans of other big-name schools) who are saying "OMG how could USC not have known?" Check out Forde's article on espn.com and Wynn's article on cnnsi.com if you don't believe me. This isn't at witch hunt being conducted by USC haters; it's a realization that there have been some really shady things going on at USC lately and that USC's strategy of "We didn't know" isn't going to cut it anymore.
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I've seen it all now. A post on BP citing ESPN to show that a given response is reasonable? I can only imagine what kind of response that article would've drawn here if it was about tOSU and came out after the Troy Smith incident. In fact, I probably could go find out if I spent my day in the ESPN/OSU forum archives.

jimotis4heisman;1161957; said:
someone make a chart of usc glory years
someone make a chart of years use received punishments/probation/lost scholarships
someone explain a correlation

note-this is unrelated to reggie bush or oj mayo
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You are mistaken because USC is the NCAA's cash cow and the NCAA would never punish USC. And ESPN would never investigate USC.

Edit: And the answer for NCAA penalties is 1957, 1959, 1982, 1986, and 2001. No real correlation.
 
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methomps;1161578; said:
So should OSU be treated as having taken a risk should something unfortunate happen?
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Yes. Any program that recruits exceptional high school players in a major sport these days has to realize that the chances of professional activity are high due to heavy competition between agents and the like. It is a sad and unfortunate sign of our times.

BB73;1161056; said:
It seems to me that for some semblance of justice to happen here, BDA should be forced to never have Mayo as a client, so they are prohibited from making money off his future contracts.
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This is the best way to drop these shady scumbags.

Methomps, I am one of those who feel that USC has had a really easy ride from ESPN. I stand by that argument. There is no way that the Bush affair would have been treated as such a non-event if it had happened at Ohio State. It is absolutely clear that Bush's parents lived in a house provided by an agent. It is absolutely clear that one player's stay with another player was subsidized by the quarterback's parents. If these allegations are indeed also true, then ESPN has no choice but to give USC the same treatment that it has given other programs.

I would just like everyone to remember Mayo has not been found guilty of anything yet.
 
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methomps;1161619; said:
There are enough things that looking back in hindsight after something happens would have a lot of people saying the same things they are now about Mayo. That is how hindsight works. They would point to his signing day bling and the picture of him posing in the suit in front of the car. They'd point to all the articles about Sarniak and Jeannette and basketball fights.
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I think the contrast to Mayo's high school days is readily apparent. With any high-profile athlete there's a possibility of the athlete accepting improper benefits, but I don't see anything like these articles in Pryor's thread.

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I got all of these links from Ramzy's BN article today.
 
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Shoulder out of joint, no, but I think many of us did see this one coming.

I just hope that BP posters will remember what it felt like to have Ohio State players and coaches dragged through the mud before anything was proven. Mayo has denied receiving anything. I feel badly for methomps. But, I also have to admit that I will be surprised if anything comes of this, for reasons similar to those of the Reggie Bush affair.
 
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Muck;1161842; said:
Then USC's compliance department is absolutely incompetent.

Why in the world would they go to WV where he only lived for 8-9 months? Did they send anyone to North College Hill where no one knew whom he lived with and where he was already known to be in deep with Guillory? Heck, while they were in WV did they ask Mayo's mother her opinion? She's said from day one she thought Gullory was shady.

Does blatant incompetence equate to lack of institutional control?

methomps I know you weren't exactly thrilled with this kid from the beginning and some of the "anti" posts are over the top (as always) but you are starting to sound like a ND fan defending Weiss or a Wolverine mumbling around RRs meat stick.

USC seriously dropped the ball and they should have known better. There is no excuse for screwing this one up.
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And while in West virginia they could have talked to Bob Huggins about Mayo and why he wasn't in Manhatten, Kansas... and people wonder why Nancy Zimpher fired Huggs as soon as she could... but that's another thread I suppose.
 
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