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NEVERDONECRYIN': With your grad. rate do you truly believe that your players do all that well in class??

Say a player has a 3+ GPA after three years and gets drafted early (and thus doesn't actually graduate), you don't think he has done "all that well in class"? And you obviously didn't comprehend my earlier post about us having, by far, the most academic all-conference players. Last time I checked, you have to "do all that well in class" to become an all-conference academic.
 
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Since when is it a school's job to graduate players[or any student for that matter]? Isn't it the player's job to graduate if they desire to? Unless OSU is purposefully flunking football players, its up to the players to graduate. Woody used to always pester them about it of course...but many of them would have been outside the blessed 6 year window. Coach Tressel doesn't allow ex-players to use the WHAC facilities unless their working towards their degree...but I suppose he should get a gun and put it to their head and force them to. That way we could be all special and we could all feel warm and fuzzy like ND.
 
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2003 Academic All-American Team..

CoSIDA ACADEMIC ALL-AMERICA® FOOTBALL TEAM (University Division)
First-Team Offense
Craig Krenzel, Ohio State * (Quarterback, Sr., Sterling Heights, Mich., 3.68, Molecular Genetics)

Kyler Randall, Eastern Washington (Wide Receiver, Sr., Ferndale, Wash., 3.88, Social Studies)

John Standeford, Purdue (Wide Receiver, Sr., Monrovia, Ind., 3.65, Elementary Education)

John Frieser, Colgate (Tight End, Sr., Endwell, N.Y., 3.69, Sociology & Anthropology)

Mike Hilliard, Duquesne (Running Back, Sr., Homer Center, Pa., 3.55, Finance)

Jason Wright, Northwestern (Running Back, Sr., Diamond Bar, Calif., 3.20, Psychology/Pre-Medicine)

Travis Barclay, Ball State (Offensive Line, Sr., Bedford, Ind., 3.99, Physics)

Rob Droege, Missouri (Offensive Line, Sr., St. Louis, Mo., 3.85, Social Studies Education)

Rodney Reed, LSU (Offensive Line, Sr., West Monroe, La., 3.94, Accounting)

Nick Sellett, Dayton (Offensive Line, Sr., Cincinnati, Ohio, 3.80, Mechanical Engineering)

Jason Whaley, Western Carolina (Offensive Line, Sr., Beulaville, N.C., 3.91, Computer Information Systems)

Nick Browne, TCU (Place-kicker, Sr., Garland, Texas, 3.97, Finance)

First-Team Defense
Vince Crochunis, Pittsburgh (Defensive Line, Jr., Schuylkill, Haven, Pa., 3.76, Political Science/Communications/History)

Jon Montoya, Montana State (Defensive Line, Sr., Brandon, S.D., 3.60, Elementary Education)

Kevin Rooney, Cornell (Defensive Line, Sr., Stockton, Calif., 3.86, History)

Dan Stephens, Pittsburgh (Defensive Line, Jr., Wheeling, W.Va., 3.76, Urban Studies)

Victor Camacho, Albany (Linebacker, Sr., New York, N.Y., 3.79, Business Administration/Finance)

Rich Scanlon, Syracuse (Linebacker, Sr., Oradell, N.J., 3.70, Health and Exercise Science)

Craig Unger, Morehead State (Linebacker, Jr., Greenfield, Ohio, 3.86, Business Administration/Finance)

Doug Jones, Dayton (Defensive Back, Jr., Zanesville, Ohio, 3.52, Accounting/Finance)

Nathan Jones, Rutgers (Defensive Back, Sr., Scotch Plains, N.J., 3.60, Finance)

Morgan Scalley, Utah (Defensive Back, Jr., Salt Lake City, Utah, 3.95, Communication)

Scott Thiessen, Youngstown State (Defensive Back, Sr., Modesto, Calif., 3.59, Special Education)

Mark Gould, Northern Arizona (Punter, Sr., Boise, Idaho, 3.57, Marketing)

Second-Team Offense
Matt Mauck, LSU (Quarterback, Jr., Jasper, Ind., 3.72, Kinesiology/Pre-Medicine)

Shaun Feldeisen, Connecticut (Wide Receiver, Sr., Stow, Mass., 3.63, Marketing)

P.J. Fleck, Northern Illinois (Wide Receiver, Sr., Sugar Grove, Ill., 3.43, Elementary Education)

Craig Jarrett, Bowling Green (Tight End, Sr., Bellevue, Ohio, 4.00, Biology)

Judd Davies, Nebraska (Running Back, Sr., Omaha, Neb., 3.90, Pre-Medicine)

Renaldo Works, Oklahoma (Running Back, Sr., Tulsa, Okla., 3.48, MIS)

Dave Costlow, Penn State (Offensive Line, Gr., Lansdale, Pa., 3.65, Information Science/Technology)

Ryan Lilja, Kansas State (Offensive Line, Sr., Lake Quivira, Kan., 3.60, Finance)

Brandon Mason, Elon (Offensive Line, Jr., Martinsville, Va., 3.83, Business Administration/Accounting) - This was already bolded in the article.

Jerry Reith, Arkansas (Offensive Line, Sr., Fort Smith, Ark., 3.68, Industrial Engineering)

Nick Romeo, Syracuse (Offensive Line, Gr., Tarpon Springs, Fla., 3.57, Mechanical Engineering)

Matt Sharpe, VMI (Place-kicker, Sr., Richmond, Va., 3.91, Computer Science)

Second-Team Defense
Ryan Carter, Air Force (Defensive Line, Jr., Waterloo, Wis., 3.63, Astronautical Engineering)

Eric Dearth, Dayton (Defensive Line, Sr., Bellbrook, Ohio, 3.48, Mechanical Engineering)

Ben Cross, Delaware (Defensive Line, Jr., Hamilton, Va., 3.93, Civil Engineering)

David Parks, Albany (Defensive Line, Sr., West Henrietta, N.Y., 3.54, History)

Eric Pauly, Colorado State (Linebacker, Sr., Conway Springs, Kan., 3.74, Computer Information Systems)

Dontarrious Thomas, Auburn (Linebacker, Sr., Perry, Ga., 3.48, Management Information Systems)

Jonathan Vilma, Miami (Fla.) (Linebacker, Sr., Miami, Fla., 3.27, Finance)

Jeff Backes, Northwestern (Defensive Back, So., Columbus, Ohio, 3.81, Psychology/Pre-Medicine)

Justin Isom, Minnesota (Defensive Back, Sr., Huber Heights, Ohio, 3.88, Sports Management)

Jim Leonhard, Wisconsin (Defensive Back, Jr., Tony, Wis., 3.31, Kinesiology)

Pat Ricketts, Nebraska (Defensive Back, Gr., Millard, Neb., 3.52, Business Administration)

Robert Wallis, Mississippi State (Punter, Sr., Columbus, Miss., 4.00, Geo Sciences)

* Denotes Academic All-American® of the Year

http://www.elon.edu/athletics/news.asp?id=2532&sport=fb

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Football Academic All-Conference..

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>Bryce Culver, OSU</TD><TD>SR</TD><TD>3.06</TD><TD>Marketing</TD><TD>Delaware, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD>Michael DeMaria, OSU</TD><TD>SR</TD><TD>3.02</TD><TD>Criminology</TD><TD>Oregon, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>Dustin Fox, OSU</TD><TD>JR</TD><TD>3.29</TD><TD>Communication</TD><TD>Canton, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD>Simon Fraser, OSU</TD><TD>JR</TD><TD>3.10</TD><TD>Criminology</TD><TD>Upper Arlington, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>Stephan Graef, OSU</TD><TD>SR</TD><TD>3.60</TD><TD>Psychology</TD><TD>Uniontown, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD>Maurice Hall, OSU</TD><TD>JR</TD><TD>3.31</TD><TD>Communication</TD><TD>Columbus, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>Roy Hall, OSU</TD><TD>SO</TD><TD>3.20</TD><TD>Engineering</TD><TD>Richmond Heights, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD>Benjamin Hartsock, OSU</TD><TD>SR</TD><TD>3.72</TD><TD>Biology</TD><TD>Chillicothe, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>Craig Krenzel, OSU</TD><TD>SR</TD><TD>3.68</TD><TD>Molecular Genetics</TD><TD>Sterling Heights, Mich.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD>Nicholas Mangold, OSU</TD><TD>SO</TD><TD>3.29</TD><TD>Operations Management</TD><TD>Centerville, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>Brandon Mitchell, OSU</TD><TD>SO</TD><TD>3.15</TD><TD>Political Science</TD><TD>Atlanta, Ga.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD>Steven Moore, OSU</TD><TD>SR</TD><TD>3.31</TD><TD>Finance</TD><TD>Columbus, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>Adam Olds, OSU</TD><TD>JR</TD><TD>3.60</TD><TD>Biology</TD><TD>Dublin, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD>James Otis, OSU</TD><TD>SR</TD><TD>3.22</TD><TD>Finance</TD><TD>Chesterfield, Mo.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>Frederick Pagac, OSU</TD><TD>SR</TD><TD>3.10</TD><TD>Real Estate & Urban Analysis</TD><TD>Dublin, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD>Joel Penton, OSU</TD><TD>SO</TD><TD>3.53</TD><TD>Communication</TD><TD>Van Wert, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>Quinn Pitcock, OSU</TD><TD>SO</TD><TD>3.11</TD><TD>Engineering</TD><TD>Piqua, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD>Nate Salley, OSU</TD><TD>SO</TD><TD>3.29</TD><TD>Business Undecided</TD><TD>Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>Brandon Schnittker, OSU</TD><TD>JR</TD><TD>3.78</TD><TD>Integrated Social Studies</TD><TD>Sandusky, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD>Troy Smith, OSU</TD><TD>SO</TD><TD>3.02</TD><TD>Undecided</TD><TD>E. Cleveland, Ohio</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>Stanley White, OSU</TD><TD>SO</TD><TD>3.81</TD><TD>Finance</TD><TD>Cockeysville, Md.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

http://www.bigten.org/PressReleases/20031209/gen-031209-fallacademic.cfm
 
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I meant they did not do that well in class as far as graduating not once did I talk about grades.


HECK !! I have posted many many times what a outstanding young man Krenzel seems to be so you dont have to tell me OSU has some fine student athletes.

As far as ND and it's football team and grad. rates heck yeah they stink but the basketball team and the baseball team have had very good records while graduating a high percent of the players on those teams. ND's baseball team has the BEST record in the NCAA tournamant and they will probably have an excellent grad. rate as well. So it's not about loosing and grad.rates because ND, Duke and exp. Stanford has shown both can be done.

You guys may think this little debate is funny now but what will you think if the NCAA takes away scholarships because of grad. rates??
 
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You guys may think this little debate is funny now but what will you think if the NCAA takes away scholarships because of grad. rates??
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Chief - What if Craig Krenzel had left OSU after his junior year? He wouldn't have graduated and that would hurt OSU's graduation rate, yet CK was exceptional in the classroom. Do you think that players who leave early, and were making the NCAA required progress towards their degree, should count against the graduation rate?
 
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Graduate School Rankings

I just thought I'd look up the grad school info since people were talking about it. Here is how ND stacks up with the Big 10 at the graduate level.

Business
5. Northwestern University
10. University of Michigan
19 (tie). Ohio State University
21 (tie). University of Minnesota
23 (tie). Indiana University
23 (tie). University of Illinois
27 (tie). Purdue University
29 (tie). Michigan State University
29 (tie). Notre Dame University
36 (tie). University of Wisconsin
45 (tie). Penn State University
47 (tie). University of Iowa

Education School
6 (tie). University of Wisconsin
10. University of Michigan
11 (tie). Northwestern University
11 (tie). University of Iowa
13 (tie). Michigan State University
17. Ohio State University
18. Indiana University
19. University of Minnesota
27. University of Illinois
28 (tie). Penn State University
47 (tie). Purdue University
Notre Dame - 51+

Engineering
4. University of Illinois
8 (tie). University of Michigan
8 (tie). Purdue University
14 (tie). University of Wisconsin
20. Northwestern University
21 (tie). Penn State University
26 (tie). University of Minnesota
29. Ohio State University
50 (tie). Notre Dame University
University of Iowa - 51+
Michigan State University - 51+
Indiana University - 51+

Law School
7 (tie). University of Michigan
10 (tie). Northwestern University
19. University of Minnesota
20 (tie). Notre Dame University
23 (tie). University of Iowa
27 (tie). University of Illinois
31 (tie). University of Wisconsin
40 (tie). Indiana University
42 (tie). Ohio State University
Purdue University - 51+
Michigan State University - 51+
Penn State University - 51+

Medical Research School
7. University of Michigan
20 (tie). Northwestern University
25 (tie). University of Wisconsin
28 (tie). University of Iowa
34 (tie). University of Minnesota
38. Ohio State University
Notre Dame University - 51+
Michigan State University - 51+
Penn State University - 51+
University of Illinois - 51+
Purdue University - 51+
University of Illinois - 51+

Medical Primary Care School
3 (tie). University of Wisconsin
9 (tie). University of Iowa
13 (tie). University of Minnesota
18. Michigan State University
23 (tie). University of Michigan
Notre Dame University - 51+
Ohio State University - 51+
Northwestern University - 51+
University of Illinois - 51+
Purdue University - 51+
Penn State University - 51+
Indiana University - 51+
 
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they just caught him on a bad day. he had a few too many of these for breakfast
 
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