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3 YARDS- It is not level because some universities make there football players go to football practice and not to class.

One question?? What is the main goal of any university??

I bet if you read the OSU mission statement I bet it does not say one thing about winning football games.

We never said our goal isn't to graduate players. Even back when Cooper was coach, he had players go to classes as much as he could. Every university will differ on class scheduling and how it may or may not conflict with athletic practice sessions. I doubt there are many coaches out there who blatantly tell players, "F**k class, go to practice". You're also right about OSU's mission statement, but it still doesn't mean that it can't field a great football team while maintaining a high academic standard. OSU led the Big Ten in Academic All-Conference players, having as many as the next two schools combined. We also had the Draddy Award winner (Academic Heisman) in Craig Krenzel. Our team does quite well in the classrooms, thank you very much.
 
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Chief, I think Mili summed up my response pretty well. What I'm saying is that everyone IS playing by the same rules. If ND choose to lower it's admission guidelines to the lowest NCAA standards, they'd still be playing within the rules. I know the goal of higher education IS education. But don't blame other schools because you're administration is handcuffing the football program. This isn't about other schools cheating in any way. This is about the ND administration ... period. Why were things different for Lou Holtz? Because your administration wanted it that way (by accepting Lou's terms).

some universities make there football players go to football practice and not to class.
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I haven't seen any reports of football coaches making their players go to practice instead of class. Could you give me a link to some of those in the past calendar year?
I bet if you read the OSU mission statement I bet it does not say one thing about winning football games.
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Your point is what? I bet ND's doesn't either, which makes me wonder why ND fans are so upset with the current state of ND football. If you don't think winning is important to your fan base, why are soooooo many of you upset about losing?

Actually I have read many posts from OSU fans (exp. on BN) complaining about Tennessee's grad. rates.
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Actually, I've read almost every post on this board. I don't really remember one from BP about Tennessee's grad rates. I DO remember quite a few from BNs about it. I don't recall ANY posts saying that OSU could be a National Power again if we were allowed to have grad rates as low as Tenn. Or the reverse, saying if everyone else were forced to uphold the same grad rates as us. A big difference. OSU fans are just putting Tenn. down, not trying to justify why we aren't as good as Tenn.

I think you know I'm not trying to "put you in your place". We've had many discussions and I'm fine with you voicing you opinion. What I don't agree with is the insinuation that other teams are receiving an unfair advantage just because your administration chooses higher standards. Great for them. Just don't complain to us about a mediocre football team ... complain to your administration.
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Hey, I've got an idea to help "level the playing field" for ND....It should join the Ivy League! It would finally get a formal conference tie-in (Big Least doesn't count since it's for non-football sports only) and it would be playing against schools with restrictive admissions requirements. Besides, ND might even win the league every so often.
 
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i think someone needs to do some research here to show NDchief what is up with our recruits GPA and test score compared to his. that will probably shut him up on this topic faster than that loss to Navy will this year for the first time in 40 some years.
 
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When Gold Domers don't have football to fall back on, all they have is to talk smack about how great an academic school they have
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Good point! However some of this is a myth. What is true, is that ND has a great undergraduate program. Their graduate programs are not great, some would even say substandard. Remember that when the Big 10 sent an invitation to ND to join the conference that the vote to extend the invitation was not unanimous. Some voted against the invitation solely because due to ND's poor graduate program, that would in the short term, pull down the overall excellence of the Big 10 academically. (Not my rationale, those who voted). Not knowing if this was actually true or not, I asked my bro-in-law (ND grad '78, Univ of Chicago grad '82, followed by 5 year residency at OSU) who told me, "ND's graduate programs are awful. You can't beat it for undergrad school though."
 
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I never thought about but in my long and varied career I have never worked with ND grad nor heard about any of their graduate level programs.


I would also question whether their standards are any higher then Northwestern, Duke or Vanderbilt, not to mention the service acadamies. Not powerhouses by any means but they they do not have the "tradition" that is forever implied with ND.
 
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It is my understanding that scUM's law and OSU's business school are better regarded. FWIW, I've known two ND law grads who have failed the GA bar; one failed it twice. The GA bar ain't all dat hard.
 
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