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Notre Dame (football only discussion)

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The notion of a twenty team conference is also retarded. I liked the move to bring Penn State into the fold - but Nebby, Maryland, and Rutgers added nothing I wanted to see on a regular basis.

18 to 20 teams? Meh. It'll be nice to see USC have to play the Bucks somewhere outside of LA - but good bye to any sense of regional rivalries. It will all come down to the CCG to see which team gets a home game in the CFP.

I'm also skeptical about the number of viewers that the PAC teams will add. My time - a year at Ft. Lewis near Seattle and two years in Berkeley - left me with the impression that the only college games that mattered were Cal - Stanford, UCLA - USC, and Wash - Wazoo. The West Coast just isn't into college sports anywhere near the way the midwest and south are.
 
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OK, I understand the geography of ND relative to the B10 schools. Pretty simple. As to the AAU, utterly understandable that the B10 Prez's make that non-negotiable. Riddle me this, though. ND has an excellent undergrad program. However, (and this is the question), what sort of grad program do they have? I don't know, but recollect it's minimal. And, again, not certain of my understanding, is that what the outside consulting contracts companies/countries have with universities, is that these contracts are mostly grad school driven.??? How/why does this then make ND more desirable than a North Carolina, smack dab in the middle of the East's 'Silicon Valley'? And where on earth did TAMU come from? Don't recollect ND playing them, so don't understand the connection. PS, don't really care for ND's attitude of 'if you want us in, you gotta do this'. Still doesn't sit well with me that the Playoff Committee bent (?) some rules so that ND has a very good chance of always getting in the National Championship game/playoffs. Help me clear the fog away.
 
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cincibuck said:
The notion of a twenty team conference is also retarded. I liked the move to bring Penn State into the fold - but Nebby, Maryland, and Rutgers added nothing I wanted to see on a regular basis.

18 to 20 teams? Meh. It'll be nice to see USC have to play the Bucks somewhere outside of LA - but good bye to any sense of regional rivalries. It will all come down to the CCG to see which team gets a home game in the CFP.

I'm also skeptical about the number of viewers that the PAC teams will add. My time - a year at Ft. Lewis near Seattle and two years in Berkeley - left me with the impression that the only college games that mattered were Cal - Stanford, UCLA - USC, and Wash - Wazoo. The West Coast just isn't into college sports anywhere near the way the midwest and south are.
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Maybe you're forgetting: the move to bring those teams in (and since this is a ND thread, let's throw them in, too - if ND joins the Big Ten, they'd also fit this reasoning) was money - not what you and I and all the fans want. And we could argue that the fans drive the sport. True, but, I think the fans want this more than you and I want to admit.

You say you want "regional rivalries." Well those regional rivalries only started because people couldn't get across the country without riding a horse. Yeah, I know - eventually they could take trains. But trains are dumb. Airplanes have made it so we can fly to the moon and stuff to play Washington or Rutgers.

And if the west coast doesn't give a left turd about college sports, then we can teach them about college sports while we beat them at football.
 
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calibuck said:
OK, I understand the geography of ND relative to the B10 schools. Pretty simple. As to the AAU, utterly understandable that the B10 Prez's make that non-negotiable. Riddle me this, though. ND has an excellent undergrad program. However, (and this is the question), what sort of grad program do they have? I don't know, but recollect it's minimal. And, again, not certain of my understanding, is that what the outside consulting contracts companies/countries have with universities, is that these contracts are mostly grad school driven.??? How/why does this then make ND more desirable than a North Carolina, smack dab in the middle of the East's 'Silicon Valley'? And where on earth did TAMU come from? Don't recollect ND playing them, so don't understand the connection. PS, don't really care for ND's attitude of 'if you want us in, you gotta do this'. Still doesn't sit well with me that the Playoff Committee bent (?) some rules so that ND has a very good chance of always getting in the National Championship game/playoffs. Help me clear the fog away.
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Re: And where on earth did TAMU come from?

The state of Texas has a lot of TV sets and probably more "blue chip" Div 1 football recruits than any other state. Adding Texas A&M would
1) add more value in negotiating the TV contracts and increase the revenue of the BTN with more cable subscribers.
2) a B1G team in Texas would help other B1G schools recruit in Texas.
 
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If the Domers make the 12-team playoff every 2nd or 3rd year, and get to keep their full share of that payout than having it divvied up to support a bunch of teams in a conference, they will make more money than a conference can pay them, so they have no reason to join a conference as long as they can access the playoff.

And Fuck them anyway, who needs them?
 
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BB73 said:
If the Domers make the 12-team playoff every 2nd or 3rd year, and get to keep their full share of that payout than having it divvied up to support a bunch of teams in a conference, they will make more money than a conference can pay them, so they have no reason to join a conference as long as they can access the playoff.

And Fuck them anyway, who needs them?
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I wrote out this whole thing about how there's no way they would have made the playoffs every 3 years. But then I looked it up. They would have made the 12-team playoffs 4 times in those 10 years. Shows what I know.
 
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BigWoof31 said:
10-2 ND makes the playoffs (HOORAY! GO IRISH)

faces 4 seed Oregon at Oregon in the playoffs and loses by 27 points.

I'm very comfortable with that scenario
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1-4 seeds don't get a home game. They get a bye right into the bowl games.
5-8 seeds get home games.
9-12 seeds get away games.

So 10-2 ND gets into the playoffs, gets a home game against Liberty, or Marshall, or who really cares?
Assuming they win, they face the 4 seed in the KFC Finger-Lickin' Good Bowl (or something.
Also, 1-4 seeds are conference winners. Are you on a Buckeye board predicting that Oregon will win the Big Ten?

Edit: As to getting into the playoffs and losing right away by 27 points, I'm all on board with that part.
 
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calibuck said:
Was talking with a Domer in foursome today. Asked him what the scuttlebutt was about ACC imploding, and whether ND would/could stay independent. He responded why would they not, when they get all the money they need from NBC now. Last I recollect, they get about $75 million (and don't share with ACC), versus the $100 million tOSU gets (after the league wets their beak). Tried to bait him by saying FSU is trying for a B10 spot, but asked why would we want them? FSU doesn't qualify academically, and why would the B10 want to dilute per school share just to put a stakehold in Florida? He didn't bite....
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Notre Dame fans live in this made up world where the universe caters to their every desire. It's wild.
 
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