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North Carolina Tar Heels (official thread)

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I do enjoy how an institution deliberately not teaching a student a useful skill is called an "extra benefit" by the NCAA.

I took two years of Spanish in high school and had a complete push-over for a teacher. I passed my state required two years of foreign language. The fact I didn't actually learn anything from the course beyond a few dozen words my kids already know from watching Dora the Explorer was an extra benefit.
 
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Dryden said:
I do enjoy how an institution deliberately not teaching a student a useful skill is called an "extra benefit" by the NCAA.

I took two years of Spanish in high school and had a complete push-over for a teacher. I passed my state required two years of foreign language. The fact I didn't actually learn anything from the course beyond a few dozen words my kids already know from watching Dora the Explorer was an extra benefit.
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muy bueno
 
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NCAA charges UNC with five Level I violations in academic probe

The NCAA has charged North Carolina with five violations connected to the school's long-running academic fraud scandal, including a lack of institutional control for poor oversight of an academic department popular with athletes.

The school released a 59-page notice of allegations Thursday that it received from the NCAA, which uses the document to specify violations uncovered during an investigation.

The charges include providing improper benefits in the form of counselors making "special arrangements'' with staffers in the formerly-named African and Afro-American Studies (AFAM) department to offer courses or obtain assignments for athletes, as well as a counselor working with the women's basketball program providing improper help on research papers.

All five charges are considered Level I violations, described by the NCAA as a "serious breach of conduct.''

Chancellor Carol Folt and athletic director Bubba Cunningham issued a joint statement, saying the school takes allegations "about past conduct very seriously'' and noted that the school has implemented more than 70 reforms since the end of academic irregularities in the AFAM department ended in 2011. UNC has to file a response to the NCAA within 90 days of receiving the notice.

"Although we may identify some instances in the NCAA's notice where we agree and others where we do not, we are committed to continue pursuing a fair and just outcome for Carolina,'' the statement said.

The five charges listed in the NCAA's notice are:

• There was a lack of institutional control in failing to "sufficiently monitor'' the AFAM department as well as the academic support department for athletes, noting athletes received "preferential access'' to the department's irregular courses.

• Academic counselors leveraged relationships from the fall semester in 2002 to the summer session of 2011 with AFAM department faculty and staff to provide athletes with benefits "not generally available to the student body.'' Those benefits included suggesting assignments to the department, turning in papers for athletes and recommending grades.

• Academic counselor Jan Boxill, who worked with women's basketball, provided improper assistance by sometimes adding content to athletes' papers. Also, in at least one case, she recommended a grade for submitted work.

• Former AFAM office administrator Deborah Crowder, one of two department staffers most directly linked to irregular courses in the department, didn't cooperate with NCAA investigators.

• Former AFAM department chairman Julius Nyang'oro, the other staffer most directly linked to the department's irregular courses, also declined to cooperate with the NCAA probe.

Entire article: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...th-carolina-tar-heels-five-serious-violations
 
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I expect little to no punishment. Some of the sports that aren't the big 2 will get some punishment. The big 2 will get little to none. My guess is the total punishment will be less than USC received and potentially less than "tatgate". Let's face it. The ncaa has no teeth.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
I expect little to no punishment. Some of the sports that aren't the big 2 will get some punishment. The big 2 will get little to none. My guess is the total punishment will be less than USC received and potentially less than "tatgate". Let's face it. The ncaa has no teeth.
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I hate to sound like a Pedster, but the inequity between a coach trying to cover for his players (tatgate) and an entire university department academically covering for athletes for decades...

An equitable punishment would put the #2 or #3 basketball program out of business for some time, seriously diminish the ACC in two sports (Fine by the Irish, I'm sure), put a serious dent in ACC revenue and limit the number of schwansez Dick Vitale can massage.

This forces the NCAA to take the action that may very well lead to its demise.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Yep. They may have otherwise gotten a reprieve of sorts, but the only thing the NCAA hates more than being lied to is being told to go fuck themselves. UNC is properly fucked...
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I don't know man.

Auburn essentially used that exact 1-2 punch with Cam Newton.

I don't remember anyone even sitting out the first half of a game over that one
 
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cincibuck said:
This forces the NCAA's to take the action that may very well lead to its demise.
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Exactly. The ncaa has laid out some pretty big punishments over the years. And the universities and conferences have in turn shown their teeth. The ncaa is really just a shell organization when it comes to policing the big 5 conferences. They are allowed to fill out small penalties at smaller schools, but in the last 5 years you have seen accusations and rumors at auburn alabama FSU and lsu that rival tatgate and the USC shit. Never even had an investigation. And Miami getting off with a slap to the knuckles and a promise not to do it again. Ncaa knows they are on a short leash and any big penalty to a big name school and there will be an uprising. Therefore I expect little penalties across the university and zero penalties to the money making sports.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
Exactly. The ncaa has laid out some pretty big punishments over the years. And the universities and conferences have in turn shown their teeth. The ncaa is really just a shell organization when it comes to policing the big 5 conferences. They are allowed to fill out small penalties at smaller schools, but in the last 5 years you have seen accusations and rumors at auburn alabama FSU and lsu that rival tatgate and the USC [Mark May]. Never even had an investigation. And Miami getting off with a slap to the knuckles and a promise not to do it again. Ncaa knows they are on a short leash and any big penalty to a big name school and there will be an uprising. Therefore I expect little penalties across the university and zero penalties to the money making sports.
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If you're correct, colleges will find themselves right back to 1906 in no time. Politicians will step in and a new NCAA will have to be created because colleges have repeatedly shown themselves unwilling and unable to police themselves, their alums and their boosters.
 
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cincibuck said:
If you're correct, colleges will find themselves right back to 1906 in no time. Politicians will step in and a new NCAA will have to be created because colleges have repeatedly shown themselves unwilling and unable to police themselves, their alums and their boosters.
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Agreed 100%. A new policing body will be formed and in 50 years big time programs will be threatening to revolt again.
 
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