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Report: Former Tar Heel says counselor guided him to no-show classes


Michael McAdoo, a former defensive end at North Carolina, says he was given a suggestion to join a handful of no-show class by an academic counselor. McAdoo was kicked off the football team in 2010 when UNC was under investigation for academic fraud. According to McAdoo, the academic environment at UNC “Felt like it was all a scam.”

As reported by The News and Observer, McAdoo says he was directed to enrolling in classes that never met but were filled up by football players. It is these classes that led to federal charges against a chairman of the university in charge of teaching the classes.

“They pretty much put me in that class,” McAdoo told The News and Observer. “They pretty much told me … that I might want to consider that class and I really don’t have much time to think about it, so (I might) want to take that class while it was available.”

Entire article: http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/01/15/3535977/former-unc-player-ties-counselors.html
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
http://www.businessweek.com/article...scandal-unc-fails-its-athletes-whistle-blowerhttp://www.businessweek.com/article...scandal-unc-fails-its-athletes-whistle-blower

A good look at the larger issues involved through the prism of the UNC scandal. It really hits at the notion that a lot of these guys should never step foot onto a college campus.
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I agree with the premise but we are in a world where refusing someone something is ALWAYS discrimination. Promotions, raises jobs ....its all discrimination..people are entitled..Earning or qualifying is passe.
 
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Onebuckfan said:
I agree with the premise but we are in a world where refusing someone something is ALWAYS discrimination. Promotions, raises jobs ....its all discrimination..people are entitled..Earning or qualifying is passe.
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That's a bit of a stretch. Right now, Ohio State refuses admission to almost every other applicant, many with 26 and 27 ACT scores who are perfectly able to do the work. At UNC, it's even more stringent. Refusing to bring athletes onto campus who read and write at a third grade level is not a civil rights issue, and I don't think anyone other than a narrow minority of self-interested parties would see it as such.
 
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Onebuckfan said:
How many of the tOSU athletes on scholarship scored above 27 on their ACT? I understand the offering of a scholarship for athletes but shouldnt admission standards be ADMISSION STANDARDS.
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I'm ok with making some compromises for athletes, but it's ridiculous. Serious, selective universities are literally bringing in students who are functionally--if not downright literally--illiterate.

We refused to submit ACT/SAT scores to a CNN request. We did release some in-house testing on them that we do when they enter the university. We did alright--perhaps better than I feared--and most of the players come in with college or upper high school math and reading levels. That being said, there are still a shocking number coming in with reading and math levels in the 3rd to 7th grade levels. One even tested out at 1st grade math levels.

You simply can't tell me that those kids are A) going to benefit from an Ohio State education in any manner and B) are even capable of maintaining eligibility--which supposedly includes "progress towards a degree--in anything approaching a legit manner.

Thinking a little more about this, I do almost agree with the cult in a way. They came down hard on Penn State over the Sandusky/Paterno scandal (and rightfully so!) in a large part because it was easy to do. They knew that the odds of similar scandals being uncovered throughout college football were virtually nil. Conversely, the reason they seem to not want to touch the UNC scandal with a ten foot pole is because deep down they god damned know that this kind of shit is happening throughout college football and basketball.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1003577-ohio-state-university.html

It's my understanding that once one looks beyond the revenue sports this isn't a problem. Student-Athletes in the non-revenue sports are coming in at or above normal university admission standards and performing and graduating at levels at or above the normal student. It's solely a football and men's basketball problem.
 
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We refused to submit ACT/SAT scores to a CNN request. We did release some in-house testing on them that we do when they enter the university. We did alright--perhaps better than I feared--and most of the players come in with college or upper high school math and reading levels. That being said, there are still a shocking number coming in with reading and math levels in the 3rd to 7th grade levels. One even tested out at 1st grade math levels.

You simply can't tell me that those kids are A) going to benefit from an Ohio State education in any manner and B) are even capable of maintaining eligibility--which supposedly includes "progress towards a degree--in anything approaching a legit manner.

Thinking a little more about this, I do almost agree with the cult in a way. They came down hard on Penn State over the Sandusky/Paterno scandal (and rightfully so!) in a large part because it was easy to do. They knew that the odds of similar scandals being uncovered throughout college football were virtually nil. Conversely, the reason they seem to not want to touch the UNC scandal with a ten foot pole is because deep down they god damned know that this kind of [Mark May] is happening throughout college football and basketball.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1003577-ohio-state-university.html

It's my understanding that once one looks beyond the revenue sports this isn't a problem. Student-Athletes in the non-revenue sports are coming in at or above normal university admission standards and performing and graduating at levels at or above the normal student. It's solely a football and men's basketball problem.
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I will answer my own question football players and basketball players are brought to campus not to participate as members of an academic community but to EARN and increase revenue for the Athletic programs #1 and maybe some revenue for the school. Athletes are more EMPLOYEE than student. Maybe the charade should end and they should be paid as such and if they want to go to class they can decide that on their own. Example Braxton we want you to play football at tOSU for $X for 4 years and you can participate in school if you choose to meet all the requirements for admission and elligibility but this will not change your status as FOOTBALL PLAYER.
 
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Onebuckfan said:
I will answer my own question football players and basketball players are brought to campus not to participate as members of an academic community but to EARN and increase revenue for the Athletic programs #1 and maybe some revenue for the school. Athletes are more EMPLOYEE than student. Maybe the charade should end and they should be paid as such and if they want to go to class they can decide that on their own.
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I have to admit that I'm starting to move more and more in that direction; although, I still think separating the pathway to the NFL/NBA into a choice between entering a true minor league for a set salary (say 40K/year) or following the traditional college scholarship route would solve most of the problem.

You can't tell me that that Buckeye with first grade math skills (jesus, forget about fractions and decimals. that kid couldn't do multiplication tables or long division) wanted to go through the student-athlete charade. Rather, he was forced into it by the cozy little system that the leagues, ncaa and colleges have established. Given the choice, he almost certainly would have chosen to the take the 40K behind door number three for the Reno Renegades or Tulsa Tigers.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I have to admit that I'm starting to move more and more in that direction; although, I still think separating the pathway to the NFL/NBA into a choice between entering a true minor league for a set salary (say 40K/year) or following the traditional college scholarship route would solve most of the problem.

You can't tell me that that Buckeye with first grade math skills (jesus, forget about fractions and decimals. that kid couldn't do multiplication tables or long division) wanted to go through the student-athlete charade. Rather, he was forced into it by the cozy little system that the leagues, ncaa and colleges have established. Given the choice, he almost certainly would have chosen to the take the 40K behind door number three for the Reno Renegades or Tulsa Tigers.
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Id agree with just going minor leagues but tOSU has millions of dollars tied up in the SHOE,etc
 
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Onebuckfan said:
Id agree with just going minor leagues but tOSU has millions of dollars tied up in the SHOE,etc
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But I don't think it would change that at all. Yes, there would be some talent dilution, but we'd still get plenty of 4/5 star players smart enough to understand (or lucky enough to have parents force them to understand) that the college education will be worth far more in the long run than that 40K salary for a year or two. At the same time, the spots opened up by those who chose the minor leagues would get taken by kids who otherwise would be at the top of the recruiting class at Minny or Purdue. Minny and Purdue would end up taking kids who otherwise would be top MAC recruits and so on down the food chain. The stadium would still sell out; the state would still follow the Buckeyes; and the television contracts would still be there. I think college football and basketball for several reasons transcend allegiance built solely upon putting out the highest level product possible.

And for that bit of talent dilution, you'd see an end to 99% of the academic charade, outright fraud and thuggery endemic to modern college football/basketball. That's a worthwhile trade in my opinion.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
But I don't think it would change that at all. Yes, there would be some talent dilution, but we'd still get plenty of 4/5 star players smart enough to understand (or lucky enough to have parents force them to understand) that the college education will be worth far more in the long run than that 40K salary for a year or two. At the same time, the spots opened up by those who chose the minor leagues would get taken by kids who otherwise would be at the top of the recruiting class at Minny or Purdue. Minny and Purdue would end up taking kids who otherwise would be top MAC recruits and so on down the food chain. The stadium would still sell out; the state would still follow the Buckeyes; and the television contracts would still be there. I think college football and basketball for several reasons transcend allegiance built solely upon putting out the highest level product possible.

And for that bit of talent dilution, you'd see an end to 99% of the academic charade, outright fraud and thuggery endemic to modern college football/basketball. That's a worthwhile trade in my opinion.
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ORD_Buckeye said:
But I don't think it would change that at all. Yes, there would be some talent dilution, but we'd still get plenty of 4/5 star players smart enough to understand (or lucky enough to have parents force them to understand) that the college education will be worth far more in the long run than that 40K salary for a year or two. At the same time, the spots opened up by those who chose the minor leagues would get taken by kids who otherwise would be at the top of the recruiting class at Minny or Purdue. Minny and Purdue would end up taking kids who otherwise would be top MAC recruits and so on down the food chain. The stadium would still sell out; the state would still follow the Buckeyes; and the television contracts would still be there. I think college football and basketball for several reasons transcend allegiance built solely upon putting out the highest level product possible.

And for that bit of talent dilution, you'd see an end to 99% of the academic charade, outright fraud and thuggery endemic to modern college football/basketball. That's a worthwhile trade in my opinion.
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Worth it in my opinion as well but we aren't the stakeholders.

Unfortunately any way you slice this, the new math means cutting the kids in on the money currently going to the schools and pro leagues.

They aren't likely to just do that out of the goodness of their hearts anytime soon.
 
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