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No 3-Peat...Finally, Someone in the Media Gets It

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JonathanXC said:
This is stupid...i'm not a big fan of USC by any means...but they were #1 in 2003. No doubt. #1 in both polls. The BCS is messed up, and screwed them out of a national title. Sure...that's the rules that the coach's poll and the BCS live by...but I still consider them to be as much of National Champions as LSU was.

It just shows the need for a playoff...that's all. You can debate forever on who would have won if LSU played USC in 2003. Nobody knows for certain. Same thing with Auburn and USC last year. The system is flawed...

But for those of you who say AP is just a popularity poll, that wasn't the case for USC in 2003. Almost everybody had USC as #1, except for the BCS. USC being left out of the championship game in 2003 was the worst mistake the BCS formula has ever made.

USC is good...really good. And if they beat a really good Texas team...then I think they will have become the biggest dynasty in CFB history.
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Why do we need a playoff if "but they were #1 in 2003. No doubt. #1 in both polls." is acceptable?

I'll be honest here, I think the BCS does a better job of differentiating between otherwise like teams than do poll voters.

"USC being left out of the championship game in 2003 was the worst mistake the BCS formula has ever made. "

No, the worst mistake the BCS made was "apologizing" for this very thing. The worst mistake the BCS made was by not having the stones to say, "Hey, we think it works. you people didn't like the idea of a poll champion, you wanted something different, a way to figure out the difference between an undefeated USC and LSU, and we came up with a system."

Now, I do agree with the contentino that a playoff is the better way to crown a champion.

In any case, USC is not a two time defending champ. It just isn't. They are the two time defending AP champ... I'll give ya that. But, the BCS describes the champion these days. And USC didn't win it in 2003. They just didn't. Hell, OSU didn't win a "major poll" in 1970. And, most of us don't run around saying We WON the title in 1970!!! USC didn't win the BCS in 2003, and much like us in 1970, they won an "off title" if anything.
 
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jimotis4heisman said:
would 02 usc have beaten 02 ohio state. i feared that team with plamer more than dorseys miami...

say what you want, theyve won a lot of games and nobodies beat them in a long time. they should get some serious credit for that.
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Who's not giving them credit? They won last year outright and nobody disputes that, but some of us are just saying let's not go overboard with the credit. I'm a BCS supporter, and LSU won it in 2003; like the article says, USC agreed to play under that system like everyone else.
 
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jimotis4heisman said:
would 02 usc have beaten 02 ohio state. i feared that team with plamer more than dorseys miami...

say what you want, theyve won a lot of games and nobodies beat them in a long time. they should get some serious credit for that.
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The other night they had a poll on ESPN that was 02 bucks vs. 05 usc. 05 usc won in a landslide it was something like 76%/24% Give or take a few.
 
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JonathanXC said:
This is stupid...i'm not a big fan of USC by any means...but they were #1 in 2003. No doubt. #1 in both polls. The BCS is messed up, and screwed them out of a national title. Sure...that's the rules that the coach's poll and the BCS live by...but I still consider them to be as much of National Champions as LSU was.
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What screwed USC is the polls themselves, especially the AP. By not dropping OK past #2 after they got thumped by K State, the AP pollsters doomed USC to 3rd in the BCS. It was not the BCS itself which screwed this up. It should have been USC vs LSU for the BCS title. The AP bitches about a situation which they themselves created by their unreasonable love for the '03 OK team. You can't have it both ways.
You can't agree to the terms and then bitch about them when it doesn't work in your favor. LSU were Nat'l champs that year. USC didn't get screwed as bad as the '94 Penn St team did, or the '98 Buckeyes even. Sometimes, too many times, in college football, the best team isn't always crowned as champs. (ask the '73 buckeyes)
 
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Didn't they get beat by Cal in like triple OT that year?
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they lost in manhattan to ksu and to wazzu in ot (wazzu lost one game that year, won the rose bowl and i believe finished 3rd in the country)

they played cal the week after wazzu and won 30-28. after that they blew everyone out including co big ten champ iowa.


its just a statement people forget in 2002 the pac 10 had a good year with wazzu and usc, but usc scared me that year. they had a
team that clicked late like our 84 team. that 84 osu team was as good as anybody when november rolled around.

its one reason a playoff would be interesting, but im agianst it based on the fact it takes the importance out of a big game like texas this year in september. personally i liked the polls. if you want cotroversy have controversy, dont half some half assed system.
 
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scarletandgrey said:
The other night they had a poll on ESPN that was 02 bucks vs. 05 usc. 05 usc won in a landslide it was something like 76%/24% Give or take a few.
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i was referring to the two teams in 2002, not cross comparing years. its hard enough to compare two teams who didnt play, even harder when they are across years. so much about sports is matchups. thats why the a beat b who beat c, but c killed a occurs all the time.
 
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The BCS lost all credibility when the top ranked team in the regular season didn't make the title game. USC and LSU each did everything they were asked to do at the end of the season to win the title, and to try to strip it from either would be a huge injustice.

At the end of that season, I was extremely anti-USC because of the recruiting job they were doing and would have argued that they were a mythical champion at that time. They then followed it up by validating their claim to the 2003 title, by following it with one (and possibly a second) undefeated season.

LSU shouldn't be stripped of their share, because they won the game and the trophy...but in my mind, Southern Cal has done nothing but strengthen their case as a deserving champion as well.

If they win against the Longhorns, their 2002, 03, 04 and 05 seasons may be the best stretch in college football history. Especially considering scholarship limits.
 
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Whatever...2003 NCs or not...USC is the team of the decade. They are the ones to beat. Miami had a great run, but I think USC has done something a lot more special. The Heismans, the National Championships...and if they win on the 4th, they will have a second straight undefeated season.
USC won't be on top forever...but it's amazing what that program has done. Ohio State has a chance to finish in the top 4 for the 3rd time in 4 years...that would be quite a run too.
It's funny. In the past 4 years, the two best teams out there are probably Ohio State and USC...yet they've never been able to play. Maybe next year in the Fiesta Bowl.
 
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BayBuck said:
Who's not giving them credit? They won last year outright and nobody disputes that, but some of us are just saying let's not go overboard with the credit.
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You'd be surprised.

What screwed USC is the polls themselves, especially the AP. By not dropping OK past #2 after they got thumped by K State, the AP pollsters doomed USC to 3rd in the BCS. It was not the BCS itself which screwed this up. It should have been USC vs LSU for the BCS title. The AP bitches about a situation which they themselves created by their unreasonable love for the '03 OK team. You can't have it both ways.
You can't agree to the terms and then bitch about them when it doesn't work in your favor. LSU were Nat'l champs that year. USC didn't get screwed as bad as the '94 Penn St team did, or the '98 Buckeyes even. Sometimes, too many times, in college football, the best team isn't always crowned as champs. (ask the '73 buckeyes)
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Actually, the AP poll did drop Oklahoma past #2. They dropped them to third (which is probably where they belonged). However, the computers kept OU #1. Their computer support was so strong that they were actually #1 overall in the BCS (LSU was #2, USC #3).
 
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methomps said:
You'd be surprised.


Actually, the AP poll did drop Oklahoma past #2. They dropped them to third (which is probably where they belonged). However, the computers kept OU #1. Their computer support was so strong that they were actually #1 overall in the BCS (LSU was #2, USC #3).
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There will always be haters...I would've loved to have seen the Trojans play LSU in 2003 or Auburn last year, but the system doesn't always give us a head-to-head championship. Sometimes, we just have to use common sense.

In my opinion, you can argue against any one of USC's (and every other team's) championship season if you look hard enough. I think that it's the stretch of dominance that Southern Cal has put up in the last several years that validates each year individually.

The computer poll giveth and the computer polls taketh away. You tread in the realm of unfortunate consequences whenever you give control to a machine instead of a human, who can make rational decisions based on a "gut feeling".
 
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To be fair, if we were in the same position USC is in and won this year's national championship we would want to be credited with a 3-peat and rightfully so. I don't want USC to win but if they do it should be counted as a 3-peat. Go Horns!:banger:
 
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