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Nico Iamaleava (QB Tennessee, bad poker player, transfer to UCLA)

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cincibuck said:
So when do colleges decide they need some kind of rules re: nil
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They can't enforce them. Supreme Court and Congress both ruled that they won't stop any young adult from earning a paycheck. So a college can say they won't pay Player X, and then that kid can just go somewhere else, or he can sue the program(and will probably win). Again, this is ALL the fault of the NCAA, this isn't the fault of the kids or their family's, because anyone could've known that greed would follow all of the money that was going to be spent. We can't honestly sit on a message board, fawning over teenagers for their athletic skills, and then not expect them to want to earn a salary based on their demand. No different than any other adult. The toothpaste is out of the tube, fans can be mad, but the only way is what @Jaxbuck has said before and I've agreed, a clear CBA and making players employees. And pretty much breaking football away from the collegiate structure, and essentially making it a minor league(like it's pretty much always been) with salary caps, transfer caps, pay structure, etc
 
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There's 16 teams in the SEC? Or 18? I think it's 16.
Anyway, here's where Nico Iamaleava ranked in the conference:
Passing yards: 2,616 (8th)
Completions: 213 (6th)
Yards/Att: 7.8 (25th) - That's counting all the dudes with just 1 attempt and stuff, though. If we say they need 100 attempts, he'd be in 9th place.
Touchdowns: 19 (7th)
Rating: 145.3 (way down the list) - But again, if I filter out nerds with fewer than 100 attempts, he's in 9th place.

My point is that these ranks don't scream, "Pay that kid more money!!!" It's a down year for the SEC - maybe get yourself in the top 3 in most stats, and lead your team at least to the semi-finals before you try to hold the team ransom for more money.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Which is why it’s smart to do no matter the optics for angry old guys who feel like it’s “ruining the sport”.

Tomorrow is promised to no man. Take the money today.
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But, when does the money not equal "tomorrow is promised to no man"? I read the guy was making $17,000/week and that wasn't enough. This is just not sustainable. Now, I understand the kids wanted to be paid - they are generating a sh*t ton of money. And coaches can leave for more money whenever, so why can't the players? The one thing is: the coaches signed a contract. There is usually some sort of buyout if they want to leave or are fired. That needs to be considered for the players too. If I'm a big time booster, why shell out a lot of money only for them to come back later demanding more? Where does it end?
 
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JCOSU86 said:
But, when does the money not equal "tomorrow is promised to no man"? I read the guy was making $17,000/week and that wasn't enough. This is just not sustainable. Now, I understand the kids wanted to be paid - they are generating a sh*t ton of money. And coaches can leave for more money whenever, so why can't the players? The one thing is: the coaches signed a contract. There is usually some sort of buyout if they want to leave or are fired. That needs to be considered for the players too. If I'm a big time booster, why shell out a lot of money only for them to come back later demanding more? Where does it end?
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I believe he was supposedly getting over $2 mil per year. By my math, that's over $39,000 per week, just in case you thought that $17,000/week was a bit exorbitant.
 
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JCOSU86 said:
But, when does the money not equal "tomorrow is promised to no man"? I read the guy was making $17,000/week and that wasn't enough. This is just not sustainable. Now, I understand the kids wanted to be paid - they are generating a sh*t ton of money. And coaches can leave for more money whenever, so why can't the players? The one thing is: the coaches signed a contract. There is usually some sort of buyout if they want to leave or are fired. That needs to be considered for the players too. If I'm a big time booster, why shell out a lot of money only for them to come back later demanding more? Where does it end?
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I would imagine that NIl deals have some kind of clawback if one party doesn’t deliver. Who knows? I do t think anyone has ever seen one of those contracts to be honest.

As far as “where does it end?” I guess you have to define what you mean. Kids getting paid? It isn’t going to end.

Lack of organization and structure? I can only see it ending when athletes are employees, unionize and collectively bargain like all the other pro sports leagues do (that I am aware of).

To do that, the universities have to change something in their structure to be an employer of the athletes. That’s the part that’s going to be the biggest challenge imo.
 
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JCOSU86 said:
The one thing is: the coaches signed a contract. There is usually some sort of buyout if they want to leave or are fired. That needs to be considered for the players too. If I'm a big time booster, why shell out a lot of money only for them to come back later demanding more? Where does it end?
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Well the kids aren't supposed to be getting paid to go to the school. This is all because they wanted to be able to be paid for endorsements. It just got immediately corrupted as everybody knew it would.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Well the kids aren't supposed to be getting paid to go to the school. This is all because they wanted to be able to be paid for endorsements. It just got immediately corrupted as everybody knew it would.
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This is all because the NCAA/Bowl/Universities kept all the money for themselves for decades.

What you are seeing is simply the natural confusion that comes at the end of one system and the beginning of a new one.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Well the kids aren't supposed to be getting paid to go to the school. This is all because they wanted to be able to be paid for endorsements. It just got immediately corrupted as everybody knew it would.
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Yep. Though there was always going to be local sponsorships cause why would a Columbus dealership pay NIL for a kid going to USC or TCU. But it quickly became pay for play. And with the courts telling the NCAA hands off or see you in court the NCAA can't even enforce the pay to play rules
 
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Jaxbuck said:
This is all because the NCAA/Bowl/Universities kept all the money for themselves for decades.

What you are seeing is simply the natural confusion that comes at the end of one system and the beginning of a new one.
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I'd argue what you are seeing is what the uncontrolled dissolution of the old order and free for all to gain advantage before by semblance of a new one takes its place.

Now the NCAA and universities are at fault from from that. They could have made the "settlement" they are trying to get passed happen a decade or two ago and been able to control the outcomes much more.
 
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dragurd said:
I'd argue what you are seeing is what the uncontrolled dissolution of the old order and free for all to gain advantage before by semblance of a new one takes its place.

Now the NCAA and universities are at fault from from that. They could have made the "settlement" they are trying to get passed happen a decade or two ago and been able to control the outcomes much more.
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I wouldn't argue with you at all. It's the in-between of models.

The old thing is dead/dying and the new thing isn't ready yet. Businesses, products, technologies, organizations, governments etc etc etc one model is on the way out and one is on the way in. That spot in the middle is chaotic.

That is what we are in right now with college football. Old model is broke, new model isn't built yet. I'm kind of taken back by all the pearl clutching to be honest. There is nothing new to mankind happening here. All the money flying around tells us the sport is in no danger of being killed/ruined/broken or whatever other hyperbole people want to throw out there.

It isn't any better or worse than it was before. It's just different.
 
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