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HorseshoeFetish
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Last time I heard something like this was 2002-3. The Canes never faltered..oh wait.
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Idk if id compare this at all to Miami. Larry Coker just quit recruiting entirely from 2002-on and assumed the U mystique would hold over and it didn't. Saban is still recruiting at a very high level and time will tell if they remain elite
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Buckeye86
I do not choose to discuss it
He is definitely recruiting well, but I think it's possible he's got a touch of Brady Hoke creeping in.
After all, he was just bitching about how he couldn't motivate his players for the biggest game of the season. He can look for excuses all he wants but ultimately that's a failure on his part.
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Palpie
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Coker @ daU is right there with Da Chiz @ auburn for worst coach to win a bcs title. He was riding Butch Davis's recruiting/coaching through 2001/2002. Saban might not experience the same dominance he had at bama's peak, but he built that program back up and i don't see him coasting ala Mack Brown. Another few years w/o a playoff title and he might decide to scratch the NFL itch one more time. Hopefully by then Kiffen has been named head coach in waiting for them.
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I don't think I'd compare a multiple NC winning coach to one who used false hype and bravado to worsen a team.
I do agree that his excuse is bogus, and each year it seems That his end of the years loses seem to have more ridiculous excuses. Dude your team got worked because once again you got too cocky and thought you and your fans could yell Roll Tide and then opposition would roll over. Urban wasn't having that!
Idk if ol st Nick would leave for the NFL again, he's a god in Tuscaloosa, I really thought he'd bolt for the Texas gig but he stayed. I honestly think Kiffen will get impatient in another year or 2, and leave, possibly for DA U, and that's a fan base dumb enough to think he'd work! Saban will continue to have immense pressure like Coach Cal at UK, but it'll become more and more difficult to win a playoff system, especially with more teams seeing that his weakness is with spread no huddle offenses. It says something when he got his ass kicked and brought in Tom Herman to ask how he got his ass kicked so bad. And he's still recruiting the enormous lineman also and thinking that overpowering will intimidate teams when those guys get winded against no huddle spread teams.
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I agree. He's making $7M a year at Bama, the most of any college football coach and as much as any but two NFL head coaches (Sean Payton at $8M and Bill Belichick at $7.5M)...four others are making the same $7M (Harbaugh, Fisher, Carroll, and Shanahan). IMO he's golden for at least three more years even if Bama totally collapses.
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And with the talent he's collected they won't have a Miami level collapse, but it'd be a major slap if Auburn started to beat them regularly. Or heaven forbid, a team from Mississippi doing the same
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Crump's brother
Moxahala Park Carnie/ Rehoboth Strangler
They collapse and he leaves. Seven million or not, they won't put up with mediocrity there-even though before Saban they were average at best.
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I don't know. He tried pretty hard to get one guy that likes to choke girls... don't think checkers was involved though.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...g-domestic-violence-charge-enrolls-at-alabama
The problem I see with Saban is that the game is changing, and he's not able to change himself - nor is the staff he's hired capable. Defense still wins championships, but rule changes and offensive evolution have killed the dominant kind of Ds we grew used to in the 2000s. Ohio State's included.
Meanwhile Meyer is at the cutting edge of these changes. I don't like that Herman went and gave them a debriefing and how-to, but I'm skeptical how much Saban and Kiffin can really use it. Kirby is his best assistant coach, but he lords over a unit that's schematically on the decline and he'll eventually move on.
Finally, Saban has always relied on a talent advantage. He was mediocre at MSU. Somehow he lucked into that LSU job -- a destination with similar benefits to Ohio State (only athletic power in a recruit-rich State). He built a great team there with all the rich talent. Then blew chunks so bad in the NFL (where talent has some parity) that he bolted right back to Alabama and has leaned heavily on the recruit train ever since -- promising players he can get them to the NFL.
When that dries up, it'll all come crashing down. Cracks are showing... can he paint over them this year?
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Funny thing is, he even brought in Peyton Manning and Art Briles to talk with him about no huddle offenses before last season, and still got torched. The film on how To beat "Mighty Bama" was pretty much shown from aTm in the Johnny Football days, and Saban with his mammoth DL and LBs and big DBs who liked to press but can't cover man to man still hasn't caught up. He's too busy reading his press clippings and checking his recruiting rankings. He just got another 350+lb DL in the 2016 class, he'll also be sucking wind if we play them, and watching Kareem Walker, Hill, etc run past him
http://espn.go.com/college-football...n-manning-denver-broncos-visit-mutual-benefit
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HorseshoeFetish
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I didn't mean to imply that Bama would fall as far down as Miami did. That was, and still is glorious btw. I just wonder if they may falter enough to lose their stranglehold over the SEC. Like 2 losses instead of 1 in conference. Maybe they lose out on a recruit or two that they normally wouldn't miss on. It doesn't have to be a superstar either. It could just be a guy that makes a play or two that can alter a season.
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It's going to take A few more years to see that affect, because he's still recruiting at a high level(2016 will probably end with a top 5 class at worse) and guys he's coached recently are still putting in work in the NFL and he can hang his hat on that(Julio jones, Mark Ingram, Eddie lacy, rolando McClain, Andre smith, dj fluker, etc). Outside of LSU he has the best class in the SEC, but surprisingly Arkansas is being picked as a dark horse to win the SEC west, and Auburn is favored in the Iron bowl. If Auburn wouldve won the iron bowl last year, it may have started the decline, but if Auburn can consistently beat up on Alabama the way MSU has come up and smacked scUM in the mouth, well see some of the walls erode on the Tide.
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Crump's brother
Moxahala Park Carnie/ Rehoboth Strangler
I think that scenario is pretty likely if they don't get a QB. The difference between Bama and LSU/GA/Auburn isn't much to begin with. I can easily see them dropping back to the pack in the SEC
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IMO they suffer from the same thing Lllloyd Carr and ttun suffered from at the end of his tenure, their defense is recruited and built to stop their own offense.
You go 5 wide with an accurate and mobile QB and the Trey Depriest's of the world (at least as big as he was by the time he was a SR) are a liability.
They are hardly circling the drain or anything and that power running game can flat out beat you to death if they get it going on you but, imo, unless they make the philosophical/recruiting and tactical changes needed adapt on defense a la MSU and Chris Ash at OSU they wil continue to get torched by good offenses.
- 1st line of the 2 DL rotation is big run stuffer line
- LB's are Trey Depriest size (250+)
- 2 safties are run first hitters similar to Doss and Nickey
You go 5 wide with an accurate and mobile QB and the Trey Depriest's of the world (at least as big as he was by the time he was a SR) are a liability.
They are hardly circling the drain or anything and that power running game can flat out beat you to death if they get it going on you but, imo, unless they make the philosophical/recruiting and tactical changes needed adapt on defense a la MSU and Chris Ash at OSU they wil continue to get torched by good offenses.
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