Need another reason to hate Walmart? Here ya go...

[AKAK]

Again, the question I ask is, who is going to employ people with IQ between 75-100, and to do what? Till we find a way to employ these people with reasonably-paying jobs in the New Economy, we'll be saddled with fat, stupid, unemployed [censored]s who cost the earth to medicate and who will drag us down as a society.

Sorry to be so blunt, but tell me where I'm wrong.

The companies on shetucks list?

 

[Bucklion]

That used to be the goal of most Americans up until a generation or so ago. I guess now that so many previous generations worked to make their offspring have easier lifestyles, we've reached the saturation point where the current generation's lifestyle is so easy it doesn't want to do [Mark May]...

And just believes comfortable lifestyles grow on fucking trees...I can't tell you the number of twentysomethings I know who are shocked as shit when they hit the "real world" for the first time and realize all their expensive toys and unlimited plans and shit costs more money than they can earn...and that's even still having some help from mom and dad.

 

[Onebuckfan]

And just believes comfortable lifestyles grow on fucking trees...I can't tell you the number of twentysomethings I know who are shocked as shit when they hit the "real world" for the first time and realize all their expensive toys and unlimited plans and shit costs more money than they can earn...and that's even still having some help from mom and dad.

A lot of twenty somethings don't understand the meaning of 'work'.

 

[MaxBuck]

A lot of twenty somethings don't understand the meaning of 'work'.

A lot of fiftysomethings don't much understand it, either. I've worked with quite a few of them. (But they're generally a hell of a lot better at hiding the fact.)

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Foreigners almost always have the only goal of being "my kids will do more, and will do it with an easier lifestyle than mine."

That used to be the goal of most Americans up until a generation or so ago. I guess now that so many previous generations worked to make their offspring have easier lifestyles, we've reached the saturation point where the current generation's lifestyle is so easy it doesn't want to do shit...

And just believes comfortable lifestyles grow on fucking trees...I can't tell you the number of twentysomethings I know who are shocked as shit when they hit the "real world" for the first time and realize all their expensive toys and unlimited plans and shit costs more money than they can earn...and that's even still having some help from mom and dad.

A lot of twenty somethings don't understand the meaning of 'work'.

Bah. Every generation says that about the next one. Do you have it easier than your parents did? Did they have it easier than their parents did?

People work hard so that their kids can have a better life than they did......and then resent the shit out of them for being lazy and not working as hard as they did.

A lot of fiftysomethings don't much understand it, either. I've worked with quite a few of them. (But they're generally a hell of a lot better at hiding the fact.)

Get back into your coalmine, grandpa.

 

[MaxBuck]

Get back into your coalmine, grandpa.

Fuck that shit. I got a desk job.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Who benefits from the Welfare State/Santa Claus Presidency I'll tell you who Sam Walton and his heirs..eventually pay the ENTITLED "POOR" and Walmart employees in Walmart dollars and leave the US dollar for the working people and the rest of the economy.

Sam Walton has been dead for 20 years. When Sam died, so did the notion of Wal-Mart treating their employees like human beings. His four heirs were worth over $100B combined last time I looked.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Sam Walton has been dead for 20 years. When Sam died, so did the notion of Wal-Mart treating their employees like human beings. His four heirs were worth over $100B combined last time I looked.

So did the notion Sam had of buying American ,in an aside I missed typed..it should've been am Waltons' Heirs.

 

[Jake]

Sam Walton has been dead for 20 years. When Sam died, so did the notion of Wal-Mart treating their employees like human beings. His four heirs were worth over $100B combined last time I looked.

Wal Mart employees have 401k plans, health insurance and profit sharing. Those bastards! Did they cut insurance benefits recently? Yep. So did a lot of other companies, and more will follow. Thank our wonderful federal government for that development.

As for the family being worth a shitload of money, last I checked they haven't forced anyone to shop there. They grow and make money because consumers like shopping there. If local stores can't compete, again, local consumers put them out of business by choosing to shop at Wal Mart.

The only group who logically hates Wal Mart are the unions who desperately want to organize their employees. Why do they want to do it? Because they'll make a fortune on dues. In other words, their motivation is the same as Wal Mart, itself - making money.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Bah. Every generation says that about the next one. Do you have it easier than your parents did?

Fuck yeah I did. They provided me a better house than they had at the same age, and I also ate better than they did at that age. While they provided very well for me, at the same time they instilled a sense of self-support in me. I wanted a car and a baritone (musical instrument) when I was in high school. They got them for me but I had to pay them back with my paper route money...yeah, it was essentially a very flexible interest-free loan, but it was a loan nonetheless. They worked hard enough to where they were able to do that for me, and yet I still had to earn the car and baritone through my own work.

My kids had more shit than I did at their age, but I also made sure they worked for shit. For example, in the mid/late '90s when cell phones for teens and kids were still considered extravagant, I bought my youngest (middle school at the time) a cell phone but made her pay for the plan. She learned real quick about fiscal responsibility the first month when she went way over her limit (which was next to nothing minutes-wise back then) and I didn't help her pay it. So she had it better than I did at her age, but I didn't let her get away with irresponsibility.

There are so many younger kids who get the shit pampered out of them by their parents and then freak the fuck out when they have to pay for all that lifestyle themselves.

 

[WyoBuck]

Bah. Every generation says that about the next one. Do you have it easier than your parents did? Did they have it easier than their parents did?

People work hard so that their kids can have a better life than they did......and then resent the shit out of them for being lazy and not working as hard as they did.

I dunno. I mean there was a long period of time in this country where, generally, kids didn't really have any sort of reasonable expectation to have a better life than their parents, and though they may have wished it, parents didn't have the means to provide a better life for their kids than they had. There really was a time when the expectation was simply, you are born, you work, you start a family, then you die. Rinse, repeat. I'm certainly not saying we should go back to that. Certainly, since WWII, we, as a society, have enjoyed a higher standard of living, on the whole, than at any other time in our history. As a result, we have become lazier and more expectant of a higher standard of living than our parents, becoming less responsible and less realistic with a much stronger sense of entitlement with each subsequent generation. I think the pendulum is beginnig to swing the other way though. We have reached the point, now, that we can no longer expect an increased standard of living with each subsequent generation, yet we are still conditioning kids to believe it, which is ultimately setting them up for failure. It is pretty telling that more and more people are choosing to have fewer children, later in life, or not at all, than in my parents generation. I'm 37, I have no kids, my GF is 34 and has no kids. My sister and BIL are both 31 and have no kids. Collectively, we know less than 15 people/couples out of ALL of the people that we know well in the 25-40 age demographic, meaning close friends and relatives, people that are more than just casual aqcuantences, that have childeren. 2 have children over the age of 10. And none of those that have kids are planning on more. We have all talked about this, and that is way less than half of the people that we know well. Many very productive people have just stopped having kids because they don't have time/money for children, and they don't believe that they can provide a better life for their kids than what they enjoyed growing up. I didn't necessarily have it easier than my parents either. Their parents were poor starting out, just like they were and just like I was. As my Grandparents got older, they had careers, moved up in to the middle class, so did my folks, so did I. My folks never wanted for any necessities growing up, neither did I, but there was never much more than that. I think if I had kids, I could raise them with the same standard of living that I enjoyed growing up, but certainly not higher, so really, what's the point? I enjoy a higher standard of living now, because I don' have kids.

But I thought this was the I hate Walmart thread. Walmart sucks. The only thing I buy there is stuff to change the oil in my truck, garbage bags, paper towels, TP, laundry and dishwasher detergent, toiletries, and light bulbs. Mostly, they sell cheap, shitty stuff. Their business model is awesome though. If you don't like them, shop somewhere else and pay more. I do. If you think they treat their employees shitty, don't work there. If you can't find another job, be happy that you are employed and do it until something better comes along.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I dunno. I mean there was a long period of time in this country where, generally, kids didn't really have any sort of reasonable expectation to have a better life than their parents, and though they may have wished it, parents didn't have the means to provide a better life for their kids than they had. There really was a time when the expectation was simply, you are born, you work, you start a family, then you die. Rinse, repeat. I'm certainly not saying we should go back to that. Certainly, since WWII, we, as a society, have enjoyed a higher standard of living, on the whole, than at any other time in our history. As a result, we have become lazier and more expectant of a higher standard of living than our parents, becoming less responsible and less realistic with a much stronger sense of entitlement with each subsequent generation. I think the pendulum is beginnig to swing the other way though. We have reached the point, now, that we can no longer expect an increased standard of living with each subsequent generation, yet we are still conditioning kids to believe it, which is ultimately setting them up for failure. It is pretty telling that more and more people are choosing to have fewer children, later in life, or not at all, than in my parents generation. I'm 37, I have no kids, my GF is 34 and has no kids. My sister and BIL are both 31 and have no kids. Collectively, we know less than 15 people/couples out of ALL of the people that we know well in the 25-40 age demographic, meaning close friends and relatives, people that are more than just casual aqcuantences, that have childeren. 2 have children over the age of 10. And none of those that have kids are planning on more. We have all talked about this, and that is way less than half of the people that we know well. Many very productive people have just stopped having kids because they don't have time/money for children, and they don't believe that they can provide a better life for their kids than what they enjoyed growing up. I didn't necessarily have it easier than my parents either. Their parents were poor starting out, just like they were and just like I was. As my Grandparents got older, they had careers, moved up in to the middle class, so did my folks, so did I. My folks never wanted for any necessities growing up, neither did I, but there was never much more than that. I think if I had kids, I could raise them with the same standard of living that I enjoyed growing up, but certainly not higher, so really, what's the point? I enjoy a higher standard of living now, because I don' have kids.

But I thought this was the I hate Walmart thread. Walmart sucks. The only thing I buy there is stuff to change the oil in my truck, garbage bags, paper towels, TP, laundry and dishwasher detergent, toiletries, and light bulbs. Mostly, they sell cheap, shitty stuff. Their business model is awesome though. If you don't like them, shop somewhere else and pay more. I do. If you think they treat their employees shitty, don't work there. If you can't find another job, be happy that you are employed and do it until something better comes along.

I did work at Wal-Mart. I did quit. Fuck Wal-Mart.

 

[WyoBuck]

I did work at Wal-Mart. I did quit. Fuck Wal-Mart.

I worked at Sam's club 15 years ago. Sucked then. Pretty sure it still sucks now. I Jumped at the opportunity to start framing houses when the opportunity came a long. Best career choice I ever made.

 

[ScriptOhio]

 

[BUCKYLE]

Wal Mart employees have 401k plans, health insurance and profit sharing. Those bastards! Did they cut insurance benefits recently? Yep. So did a lot of other companies, and more will follow. Thank our wonderful federal government for that development.

As for the family being worth a [Mark May]load of money, last I checked they haven't forced anyone to shop there. They grow and make money because consumers like shopping there. If local stores can't compete, again, local consumers put them out of business by choosing to shop at Wal Mart.

The only group who logically hates Wal Mart are the unions who desperately want to organize their employees. Why do they want to do it? Because they'll make a fortune on dues. In other words, their motivation is the same as Wal Mart, itself - making money.

My only point is that when a company makes record profits and expands every quarter, there was once an understanding that employees would reap the benifits too. Our tax dollars subsidize Wal-Mart on several levels. I saw a statistic that said in 1965 and 1975, a person making minimum wage made roughly 20k a year in today's dollars. The same job today pays 5k less. You can't become mgmt at Wal-Mart without starting at the min wage end, and you can't afford to live starting at min wage. So Wal-Mart shows it's employees how to file for govt assistance. Our taxes pay for Wal-Mart full-time employees to eat, while the Walton heirs are worth 20b each. I don't fault Wal-Mart for making money. I do say fuck them for paying lobbyists to "persuade" congress to keep the min wage low and to raise snap money so that they can pay their employees shit, forcing them to use their food stamps at Wal-Mart. It's a ridiculous circle jerk.

I also find it absurd that every grocery store I know of gives employees some kind of discount on food. Wal-Mart doesn't. Because they know if you're working there, you're most likely getting food assistance, and they're not trying to cut tax payers any breaks.