ND +5.5 at Sparty (ov/un 43.5) Sat 8 ET, ABC

[jlb1705]

The only SOS I'm concerned with is the one that goes out right before the meteor hopefully strikes.

 

[Buckeye86]

So then, when the annual, "What about Boise State/Cinderella/Queen for a Season/Big East/ACC bowl assignment?" argument begins I can count on you to say, "it doesn't matter that they play nobody/in a weak conference, they went 11 and 1 they deserve a shot at a BCS game?"

And when next season rolls and the Buckeyes begin ranked, oh let's say around 22 and work up to the top ten and the pundits at SI, AP, ESPN, CBS, ABC. NBC et al are saying, "Well, their ooc schedule is soft and they play in a weak conference." I can count on you to say, "the most we deserve is a shot at the Rose Bowl cause even though we were undefeated the conference wasn't that tough."

I am happy when Ohio State wins football games.

If Ohio State goes 14-0 and doesn't win an officially sanctioned national championship for whatever reason I honestly wouldn't care.

I cared about those things not that long ago, but the amount of bullshit and noise has escalated so much in the past few years (I wonder if it has anything to do with the billions of dollars driving agendas) that I have grown not to care about any of it.

Just win and forget the rest.

Also, don't watch ESPN- that helps out tremendously in not caring about all the BS when you don't have it shoved in your face on a daily basis.

 

[cincibuck]

Did ND do any of those things to you? Did any other team do any of those things to you? OK, so we agree that your metric about disliking another team is ridiculous. That's part of sports--get over it. If you don't dislike UM, that's cool, but save us the patronizing speech, OK

Hmmm, didn't realize I was being patronizing, but OK. the questions remains, how does Ohio State benefit from a Notre dame win?

What has me bamboozled is the fact that you apparently think a UM win helps Ohio State. Please save me a rehash of the attenuated conference strength argument too.

How's this for why I hate UM--their head coach beats a hapless UMass team by 50 this weekend, all while starting a convicted felon at linebacker. Worse yet, their fanbase has historically acted as if they occupy a seat above other dirty programs (OSU included) that would engage in such behavior. So that's enough for me to hate them.

Two weeks after Urban Myer put fifty-six on Miami, after Kelly put 50 on Navy... I don't see a difference. Here's where I do see a difference: Ohio State willingly joined a conference - was that a valuless choice? I don't think so. The choice was seen at the time as being of benefit to Ohio State and to the conference. That benefit is borne out today in the mutual sharing of TV money and bowl game pay outs. When Michigan goes to a bowl, Ohio State benefits directly and indirectly.

When Notre Dame plays a game or goes to the bowl only Notre Dame benefits. Ohio State gets nothing.

Finally, Hoke did not put a kid in a scissor in a gale wind. If he did and the student was killed, hoke would have been fired and the incident would have thoroughly investigated, not swept under a rug. Add to that the rape/suicide incident. Notre Dame operates under a different set of rules than Big 10 schools.

 

[jwinslow]

When ND wins and does so enough to fuel their recruiting efforts, it rarely affects OSU. Usually they only go head to head a few times and when OSU loses, they never have to face that kid again.

When UM wins and does so enough to continue outclassing sanctioned OSU in the eyes of recruits, suddenly the dozens of mutually targeted recruits start to like Michigan more. And when those kids head north, they not only leave a hole in OSU's recruiting class, they are spending their next 3-5 years in direct opposition of OSU's success, meaning a current hs senior that goes to Michigan and redshirts could have a negative impact on OSU for Six Years.

 

[Muck]

When ND wins and does so enough to fuel their recruiting efforts, it rarely affects OSU. Usually they only go head to head a few times and when OSU loses, they never have to face that kid again.

When UM wins and does so enough to continue outclassing sanctioned OSU in the eyes of recruits, suddenly the dozens of mutually targeted recruits start to like Michigan more. And when those kids head north, they not only leave a hole in OSU's recruiting class, they are spending their next 3-5 years in direct opposition of OSU's success, meaning a current hs senior that goes to Michigan and redshirts could have a negative impact on OSU for Six Years.

TSUN is very douchey. ND directly serves Shaitan.

Go B1G.

 

[cincibuck]

When ND wins and does so enough to fuel their recruiting efforts, it rarely affects OSU. Usually they only go head to head a few times and when OSU loses, they never have to face that kid again.

When UM wins and does so enough to continue outclassing sanctioned OSU in the eyes of recruits, suddenly the dozens of mutually targeted recruits start to like Michigan more. And when those kids head north, they not only leave a hole in OSU's recruiting class, they are spending their next 3-5 years in direct opposition of OSU's success, meaning a current hs senior that goes to Michigan and redshirts could have a negative impact on OSU for Six Years.

I know you follow recruiting much closer than I do, but I can tell you that in Cincinnati Notre Dame wins count big in recruiting where OSU, Michigan and ND are often competing against each other - Rudolph being one recent example off the top of my head, Hendricks another.

 

[Onebuckfan]

ND has never hurt me..scUM has hurt me more than I care to remember..FUCK MICHIGAN!

 

[ulukinatme]

I know you follow recruiting much closer than I do, but I can tell you that in Cincinnati Notre Dame wins count big in recruiting where OSU, Michigan and ND are often competing against each other - Rudolph being one recent example off the top of my head, Hendricks another.

Notre Dame doesn't pull many recruits from Ohio though. They currently only have 8 players enrolled on the roster from Ohio, 3-4 of which I would consider significant players that are seeing play time, or will likely see time in the future. Michigan has more than 3 times that number on their roster. I would argue that a few of those members on Notre Dame's roster were members of St. I and other private institutions with a strong pull towards the Irish to begin with.

 

[Ryan36_1]

Can't we all just agree there is only one happy solution to this weeks game?

 

[Buckeye513]

I know you follow recruiting much closer than I do, but I can tell you that in Cincinnati Notre Dame wins count big in recruiting where OSU, Michigan and ND are often competing against each other - Rudolph being one recent example off the top of my head, Hendricks another.

Did Rudolph and Hendrix go to Catholic schools?

 

[cincibuck]

Did Rudolph and Hendrix go to Catholic schools?

Elder and Moeller - plus the big OL from St. X who died in Florida before graduating. Not sure about Hendrix as he was committed to ND from the get go, but the other two were highly recruited by Michigan and Ohio State.

I understand the competition angle jwins brings up, yeah a strong Michigan is going to compete with the Buckeyes for recruits. Frankly, that's the only argument I can understand in this discussion, but without a strong Michigan there's little to accomplish in winning the Big 10 - especially with Penn State more than likely reduced to a MAC team.

So beat a one dimensional Wisconsin - turn back a strong Iowa every third season - wait for Sparty to be Sparty. If I were looking at it from the outside I'd be doing the old Burger King number, "Where's the beef?"

That would make Ohio State something like Texas without Oklahoma (or Okie without Texas). Control your own destiny by controlling everyone else and controlling the revenue and talent. Screw competition, just win.

If you believe that all Ohio State has to do is go 11- 1 or 12 - 0 against a bunch of mediocre conference foes to get in the NCG, then why not pull out of Big 10 and join the Big East? The Bucks would be assured of a conference championship 14 of every 15 seasons. Wow! we kicked some ass at Pittsburgh! Did you see what we did to Cincinnati? Whoopeee!

Hey, maybe that's not a bad idea. That way we could drop the worthless Wolverines and end our seasons playing the Irish.

 

[scott91575]

Who you root for has zero bearing on any of this (well, for most). So root for who ever the heck you want. No need to rationalize anything or convince people of what you believe. It doesn't matter if you have the most cogent argument in the world or simply hate Catholics more than general studies majors. In other words, who gives a crap what teams others are rooting for or against?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkrad2_ciCA"]It just doesn't matter - YouTube[/ame]

 

[cincibuck]

Who you root for has zero bearing on any of this (well, for most). So root for who ever the heck you want. No need to rationalize anything or convince people of what you believe. It doesn't matter if you have the most cogent argument in the world or simply hate Catholics more than general studies majors. In other words, who gives a crap what teams others are rooting for or against?

It just doesn't matter - YouTube

In a rational world, absolutely true.

But fan sites are not rational - almost by definition- and B&W is the ultimate proof. Without irrational postings there is no BP and a bit of sunshine and fun goes out of life.

Besides, I'm right.

 

[ochre]

Besides, I'm right.

nuh uh. "Where's the beef?" was Wendy's.

 

[cincibuck]

nuh uh. "Where's the beef?" was Wendy's.

Not to mention that ND will soon be in the ACC, not the Big East.