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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
I would think that any hand signals from the sideline now be a thing of the past. They could communicate the change with the QB and he would change the play via an audible at the line of scrimmage.
It must hard or impossible to do. If it could be done you know Belichick and the Patriots would have been accused of doing it. Apparently in the early days some teams might have tried to "jam" the visiting team's communications late in the game. Now the Patriots were accused of that:
At least five teams have suspected Patriots of headset tampering
The term "Headsetgate" has just been coined and may not last, but the allegations that the Patriots tamper with visiting teams' communications at Gillette Stadium are nothing new.
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https://www.espn.com/blog/playbook/tech/post/_/id/2573/robert-griffin-iii-helmet
Are NFL teams hacking helmet headsets?
“The radio spectrum at NFL games is usually monitored pretty close by the league's frequency coordinator,” he said. “They have special equipment set up to locate almost any interference problem. If there was an overriding signal, they may be able to see it and record it.”Fortunately for NFL coaches, Viglione adds that actually intercepting communication would be very difficult, and hackers would need to record it and then use special software to decode the signal.
Still, conspiracy theorists might want to know why only the offensive helmets are reportedly malfunctioning and not the helmets of defensive players.
Viglione offers some possible insight: “The radio signal from the coach does not go directly to the helmet. The radio signal goes to another transmitter higher up in the stadium, and then that radio signal is sent to the helmet on the field. If there are two repeaters, one for the home team and one for the visiting team, and if they are located in different locations in the stadium, then I can see where only one would be affected. The jammer could position himself close to one of the repeaters and cause a problem to only the home team or the away team.”
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ScriptOhio
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In case you are not up to date on the Terrence Shannon Jr. charges:
What to know about Terrence Shannon Jr.'s arrest on rape charge as Illinois plays in NCAA Tournament Sweet 16
Shannon missed six games during his suspension but is leading a hot Illinois team into the Sweet 16 of the NCAA Tournament
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What to know about Terrence Shannon Jr.'s arrest on rape charge as Illinois plays in NCAA Tournament Sweet 16
Here's what we know about the timeline and details of the case against Shannon, who has maintained his innocence since charges were brought against him in December.
Dec. 5, 2023: Shannon is charged with one count of rape or an alternative count of sexual battery after a woman alleged that he grabbed her buttocks, reached under her skirt and touched her inappropriately on Sept. 8 in Lawrence, Kansas.
Dec. 28, 2023: Shannon turns himself in and is arrested one day after a warrant is issued. He is released on $50,000 bail. Illinois suspends Shannon indefinitely, citing a zero-tolerance sexual conduct policy. Shannon's attorney, Mark P. Sutter, issues a statement acknowledging the accusation surfaced in September 2023 but that his client has declared his innocence since the beginning.
Jan. 2, 2024: Shannon Jr. writes a 1,366-word letter addressed to the University of Illinois student-athlete conduct panel, in which he continues to declare his innocence and pleads for the suspension to be overturned. The letter reads in part:
Jan. 8, 2024: Shannon's attorneys file a temporary restraining order against the University of Illinois seeking immediate reinstatement. The suit claims Shannon was not granted due process before being suspended from the team.
Jan. 19, 2024: U.S. District Court Judge Colleen Lawless hears Shannon's case and rules the school violated his civil rights with the suspension. Lawless grants an injunction asserting Shannon "will suffer irreparable harm" without it. Illinois abides by the ruling, reinstating him to full status.
Jan. 21, 2024: Shannon returns to play after missing six games and scores 16 points in an 86-63 home win over Rutgers.
Feb. 23, 2024: A preliminary hearing date for the rape case against Shannon is initially scheduled but later moved to May 10.
March 17, 2024: Illinois wins the Big Ten Tournament after three wins in three days. Shannon scores 28, 40 and 34 points in the three wins while earning Most Outstanding Player but is unavailable to the media. Illinois coach Brad Underwood comments only that he is coaching the players in the locker room, which at the time includes Shannon.
"I'm the basketball coach, and a lot of this stuff was put in play by our university, the courts, and I'm not going to consume myself with it," said Underwood. "I've got a locker room full of players that I said, when he was suspended, I was going to coach the guys in the locker room. He's in the locker room. I'm going to coach him."
March 21, 2024: No. 3 seed Illinois defeats Morehead State in the first round of the 2024 NCAA Tournament. Shannon scores 26 points.
March 23, 2024: No. 3 seed Illinois defeats Duquesne to advance into the Sweet 16. Shannon scores 30 points for the third time in his last four outings.
From the Bleacher Report:
Illinois Closes Terrence Shannon Jr. Investigation Over Sexual Assault Allegations
The University of Illinois is closing its investigation into the sexual assault accusations made against basketball player Terrence Shannon Jr., according to ESPN's Shwetha Surendran.The school's director of the office for student conflict resolution, Robert Wilczynski, wrote to Shannon on April 5, noting that the school didn't have sufficient evidence to prove there was a violation of the student code.
Per that letter, the school wasn't given "access to the complainant, the complainant's witness." Additionally, "the complete Lawrence Police Department file was not available to the investigator."
Shannon, 23, was arrested and charged with rape, sexual intercourse without consent and use of force on Dec. 28 after a woman accused him of digitally penetrating her without consent in September at a bar in Lawrence, Kansas.
He posted a $50,000 bond and one of his attorneys, Mark P. Sutter, said Shannon has maintained his innocence "from the beginning" and has "cooperated with law enforcement throughout the investigation."
He is still facing criminal charges in Kansas, with a preliminary hearing slated for May 10.
Just sayin': If this was the policy back in 2020, I wonder if the cases against Amir Riep and Jahson Wint would have played out differently.
Obviously they were dismissed from OSU before given "due process".
Former Ohio State football players found not guilty of rape, kidnapping
Former Ohio State Football players, Amir Riep and Jahsen Wint, were found not guilty of rape by a Franklin county jury.
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Former Ohio State football players found not guilty of rape, kidnapping
A Franklin County jury found two former Ohio State football players not guilty on charges of kidnapping and rape stemming from an incident in 2020.In 2020, Amir Riep and Jahsen Wint were indicted on two counts of rape and one count of kidnapping. Both men were acquitted of those charges in Franklin County Court of Common Pleas on Thursday.
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ScriptOhio
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A summary of the new rule changes for 2024:
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ScriptOhio
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Experts agree ending college football sign stealing is just a click away, so what's taking so long?
The technology exists, and it's largely been tested, but college football nevertheless lags behind in modernization of the game
A lot of it before Connor Stalions became the biggest spy since James Bond. The NCAA Football Rules Committee and secretary rules-editor Steve Shaw have already let it be known electronic communications will be a "top of mind" issue in 2024.
Technology rules approved in football - NCAA.org
Optional technology rules in football, effective for the 2024 season, were approved by the NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel on Thursday.www.ncaa.org
Technology rules approved in football
Automatic timeouts to occur in the last 2 minutes of the 2nd and 4th quarters
Optional technology rules in football, effective for the 2024 season, were approved by the NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel on Thursday.
In games involving Football Bowl Subdivision teams, each school will have the option to use coach-to-player communications through the helmet to one player on the field. That player will be identified by having a green dot on the back midline of the player's helmet.
The communication from the coach to the player will be turned off with 15 seconds remaining on the play clock or when the ball is snapped, whichever comes first.
For all three divisions, teams have the option of using tablets to view in-game video only. The video can include the broadcast feed and camera angles from the coach's sideline and coach's end zone.
Teams can have up to 18 active tablets for use in the coaching booth, sideline and locker room. Tablets cannot be connected to other devices to project larger additional images and cannot include analytics, data or data access capability or other communication access. All team personnel will be allowed to view the tablets during the game.
The Football Rules Committee, which met the last week of February, had a thorough discussion regarding wearable technologies.
The committee invites non-FBS conferences that are interested in using wearable technologies to submit an experimental proposal to the committee. Any proposals must be made to the committee by June 15.
Two-minute timeout
The panel approved adding an automatic timeout when two minutes remain in the second and fourth quarters.
This rules change synchronizes all timing rules, such as 10-second runoffs and stopping the clock when a first down is gained in bounds, which coincides with the two-minute timeout.
First-down timing rules
After a year of review, Division III committee members decided to adopt the timing rules where the game clock would continue to run when a first down is gained in bounds. The game clock will stop when a first down is gained during the last two minutes of either half. Division I and II schools used this timing rule last season.
Other rules changes
Additionally, head coaches can conduct interviews with broadcast partners after the first and third quarters. This was allowed on an experimental basis last season and will be added as a permanent rule.
- Allowing conferences the option of using a collaborative replay review system. This will be formally added to the rules book; it had been an experimental rule.
- Penalizing horse-collar tackles that occur within the tackle box as a 15-yard personal foul. Previously, a horse-collar tackle within the tackle box was not a foul.
Just sayin': Sign stealing may be a thing of the past now.
How college football adopting helmet communication will be complicated process as sport continues to evolve
Helmet communication arrives in college football 30 years after it debut in the NFL
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How college football adopting helmet communication will be complicated process as sport continues to evolve
Helmet communication arrives in college football 30 years after it debut in the NFL
College football will finally add helmet communication for all Football Bowl Subdivision games beginning this fall after the NCAA approved a rule change in April. The monumental switch comes after years of lobbying and conversation about cost and liability, and it will radically shift the game moving forward.The rules for college football helmet communication largely mirror the NFL, which first brought the technology to the field in 1994. Only one player on each side of the ball will be allowed to have a radio in their helmet, signaled to officials by a green dot. Communication will be shut off with 15 seconds remaining on the play clock or when the ball is snapped, whichever comes first.
"There's a lot of unique opportunities with the headset," Nebraska coach Matt Rhule told CBS Sports. "And what I love about it is you're preparing the guys on offense for the NFL, because they're going to be using it in the NFL."
CBS Sports spoke to coaches and former players across college football to understand how teams may use helmet communication in the fall, including Rhule, a former NFL coach with the Carolina Panthers. While the rules may be similar, differences between college football and the NFL means its implementation could look drastically different.
The offensive question: to huddle or use tempo?
Over the past 20 years, the traditional huddle has largely disappeared from college football. A handful of teams still huddle to slow down the game and install a play, but most communication now comes from the sidelines via hand signals.Ultimately, offense face a fork in the road with the introduction of helmet communication. Slowing down the game and moving towards the huddle allows teams to increase complexity and become harder to defend. To the contrary, running no-huddle concepts with helmet communication allows teams to be even more efficient.
"I think you'll see some teams go back to the huddle," Rhule said. "I've talked to some coaches who say they're going to go faster than ever because the defense isn't going to be able to use the headset for themselves. I think different teams are going to take it in different ways."
For tempo offenses, a quick call can go to the quarterback, who can then shout out or signal a play in seconds before the defense truly has time to react. However, quick play calls limit complexity. Going back to the huddle allows teams to be highly specific with protections and checks.
In 2023, Power Five teams averaged 26.1 seconds per play. Nineteen such teams sat under 25 seconds per snap, meaning their average snap took place before the play clock struck 15 seconds, which will be the cutoff time for incoming calls. Among those were spread tempo offenses like Tennessee, TCU and Colorado. However, 14 teams cleared 28 seconds per snap. Among them were Alabama (29.82) and Georgia (29.2). In fact, no team in last season's final top 10 averaged a snap count within 25 seconds. The closest: Texas at 25.5 seconds.
The biggest zag on the board was national champion Michigan. The Wolverines were the only power-conference team to clear 30 seconds per snap. During a miserable 2-4 campaign in 2020 that led to sweeping changes, Michigan averaged 24.9 seconds between plays, a full six-second difference. Since Sherrone Moore was elevated to co-offensive coordinator in 2021, Michigan has slowed down the game and used extra time to set up motion and misdirection. The results: a 40-3 record with three Big Ten titles. Moore was promoted to head coach in January.
"I'm all about [helmet comms]," Moore told the Detroit News in December. "I think it would be easy communication from the coordinator to the quarterback and create no issues outside."
Lakota East High School (Ohio) coach Jon Kitna spent nearly two decades in the NFL, largely as a player but most recently as quarterbacks coach of the Dallas Cowboys in 2019. Though he acknowledged helmet communication technology has come quite a ways since his NFL debut in 1996, Kitna sees its greatest value as a tool to give notes and get players into the right headspace entering a play -- especially younger players.
"Just being able to drop a little nugget to the quarterback," Kitna told CBS Sports, "a reminder 'Here's third-and-9, but we don't need to get it all back here. We'll go for it on fourth-and-3.' You can just kind of put the quarterback at ease."
The rise of no-huddle offenses has largely coincided with the spread of simplified language and concepts to match. Former Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn played in a far more complex, NFL-style offense with the Fighting Irish. Like many such offenses, the Fighting Irish often used wristbands to set up play calls.
With helmet communication, Quinn is optimistic that many teams will diversify their offensive calls and become even harder to cover. Having experience and consistency at quarterback in a transfer portal world becomes even more of an advantage.
"Hopefully, you'll see quarterbacks be given more," said Quinn, who now works as an analyst on CBS Sports HQ. "I think that's the tough part as a former quarterback, when you're running an NFL offense in college, you can have responsibility and control to prepare you for the next level with certain run checks and pass checks and everything else. Hopefully, some of the coaches will put the onus on these quarterbacks, especially as guys have played four or five, or in some cases now, six years.
"These guys are experienced. It's not like they haven't seen a lot of ball. I think they're capable of doing it."
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LovelandBuckeye
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I wonder what those "sweeping changes" were.
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ScriptOhio
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The Weekender: NCAA Football Roster Reductions Reportedly Under Consideration, A New Addition to the FBS and Stanford to Name Court After Tara VanDerveer
Roster reductions in college football are reportedly under consideration, Missouri State joined the FBS and Stanford named its home court after former head coach Tara VanDerveer
NCAA FOOTBALL ROSTER REDUCTIONS REPORTEDLY UNDER CONSIDERATION
The ever-changing landscape of college football may undergo yet another dramatic shift.According to Yahoo Sports’ Ross Dellenger, power conference leaders are eyeing a new athlete compensation model that could reduce roster size across college football. The proposal would potentially cut rosters to 85 players, which is down from the current 100-120 players that teams typically have on their roster.
With a near 35-player reduction in roster size, this proposal would likely spell the end to all walk-on positions at most power programs.
Football would not be the only sport impacted by this proposal. In addition to potential roster cuts, power conference leaders are discussing the removal of scholarship restrictions, which would allow sports like baseball or hockey to offer full scholarships to all players on the roster.
Just sayin': Eliminating walk-ons would be a bad thing......
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…and allow Kennesaw State and Missouri State to join the top division of the sport, because the one thing an absurdly bottom-heavy FBS needs is more teams at the bottom
The solution would be obvious if it weren’t something that reduced the influence of those making the decision: The only teams who belong in the top division of the sport are those that can truly compete at the actual top. FBS is made up of a Wider variety of team quality than any division in any sport, and it’s all down to one thing… it is ridiculously too big. And instead of shrinking it, for them to even CONSIDER shrinking roster sizes at a time when that is horrifically bad for student athletes…
Blow it up. This REALLY ought to be the final straw. Disband the NCAA!
The solution would be obvious if it weren’t something that reduced the influence of those making the decision: The only teams who belong in the top division of the sport are those that can truly compete at the actual top. FBS is made up of a Wider variety of team quality than any division in any sport, and it’s all down to one thing… it is ridiculously too big. And instead of shrinking it, for them to even CONSIDER shrinking roster sizes at a time when that is horrifically bad for student athletes…
Blow it up. This REALLY ought to be the final straw. Disband the NCAA!
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Yeah there is no reason for a lot of these teams to be joining FBS. It's downright silly. The entire sunbelt has no business being in FBS.
It's just silly and being used as colleges for prestiege. AKA you can play in FBS and the college that is our competitor in the region can't... Or you can watch our FBS team etc etc
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Agreed.Just sayin': Eliminating walk-ons would be a bad thing......
Plus, isn't there some Title IX thing where schools have to have a percentage of female students on scholarship? Maybe this wouldn't affect that, since there'll be more scholarship baseball players.
But yeah. "Let's limit the number of opportunities for the students. Let's limit the choices the schools can make."
Wait for M*ch*gan to get their punishment. Then disband it.
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The big rule change many have been waiting on. And the likely strategy of transitioning LJsr to more of an advisor or analyst role and finding a younger DL coach
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