NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

[lvbuckeye]

A ruling that Reggie is ineligible would likely also involve stripping him of statistics from those years and possibly awards. That is where the adverse affect would lie.

does taking his stats of you the NCAA record book somehow cause his NFL salary to decrease? i didn't think so. it's the same as the Fab Five or the '98 Ohio State basketball team. sure they had to take down their Final Four banners, but everyone knows what they did on the court. it's not like the NCAA will force everyone to delete their clips of Reggie in the Fresno State game.

This is dead on, and I would only add that simply asking "where is the adverse affect" does not overcome the presumption. It is, in fact, an attempt to flip the presumption, just as saying to a criminal defendant "prove to me you are innocent" flips the presumption of innocence.

you can't be serious.

 

[brutus2002]

MY goodness if thats over the top lets just ruin CFB and pay them. Pay them millions...heck USC might start a trend if they get away with it. Its not over the top because I remember SC fans running their mouths about OSU...I'm not singling out Methomps but alot of his peers on SC boards were OVER THE TOP WHEN OSU WAS GETTING INVESTIGATED. I just wish they would spend 2 years there digging...I'm sure its MOUNTAIN OF GOODIES FOR THE NCAA there in SC.

 

[BB73]

Personally, I'm taking more satisfaction in USC's 6-4 record in their last 10 conference games than I would get from the results of any NCAA investigation.

 

[Mike80]

MY goodness if thats over the top lets just ruin CFB and pay them. Pay them millions...heck USC might start a trend if they get away with it. Its not over the top because I remember SC fans running their mouths about OSU...I'm not singling out Methomps but alot of his peers on SC boards were OVER THE TOP WHEN OSU WAS GETTING INVESTIGATED. I just wish they would spend 2 years there digging...I'm sure its MOUNTAIN OF GOODIES FOR THE NCAA there in SC.

So because they did, we should be the same way?

 

[sandgk]

Crikey, don't go all holier than thou on us. Consider what the NCAA Death Penalty means, and when - and why - it was imposed.

MY goodness if thats over the top lets just ruin CFB and pay them. Pay them millions...heck USC might start a trend if they get away with it. Its not over the top because I remember SC fans running their mouths about OSU...I'm not singling out Methomps but alot of his peers on SC boards were OVER THE TOP WHEN OSU WAS GETTING INVESTIGATED. I just wish they would spend 2 years there digging...I'm sure its MOUNTAIN OF GOODIES FOR THE NCAA there in SC.

A little does of reality ... perspective, both factual and historical

'Death Penalty' A Relic of The Past

Two important snippets -
NCAA more lenient now ..

Since SMU received the punishment, 29 programs in various sports have been eligible for the death penalty -- meaning two sets of major NCAA rules violations occurred at a school within a five-year period -- according to an NCAA database. All were spared. And because of the long-lasting effect on SMU, some observers familiar with NCAA investigations question whether the penalty ever will be imposed again.
"Now with the benefit of hindsight, everyone, including the NCAA, recognizes that the death penalty is just that: It is death and it is not helping," said J. Brent Clark, a former NCAA investigator who is an attorney in Norman, Okla. "Because of the SMU experience, the NCAA realizes it's too severe a penalty for the institution to recover from."

Then, underscoring what qualifies for consideration of the now never deployed Death Penalty .... SMU just kept chugging and cheating along, even when under probation. A who gives fuck attitude, cocking a snook a the NCAA.

In the early 1980s, SMU broke school records at the same time it broke rules. On the field, the Mustangs won 41 of 47 games between 1981 and 1984 and were known for the famed "Pony Express" backfield of Eric Dickerson and Craig James. Off the field, almost two dozen players received payments. Rule breaking was allowed to continue after SMU initially was placed on probation for paying players.
But the climate was changing. In an effort to aggressively crack down on rule breakers, the NCAA staged a special convention on integrity in 1985, during which university presidents voted overwhelmingly to implement Proposition 3, known as the repeat-violator rule. If a school committed two sets of major violations within a five-year period, the NCAA could shut down the program for up to two seasons, a drastic measure that soon became known as the "death penalty."

So with Bush and Lake being known - if proven, and if NCAA action results, you would have to wait for a new set of infractions to emerge. Those new infraction would have to arise within a five year window for a death penalty to come down.

And USC is far too smart to let that happen - simply too smart.

So, Death Penalty - NCAA - USC isn't going to happen. Calling for it is over the top, because the current issue does not fit the criteria the NCAA uses to determine that penalty's application.

 

[osugrad21]

heck USC might start a trend if they get away with it.

Actually, they would just be continuing the trend that has been prevalent in college football for many decades.

 

[bkochmc]

MY goodness if thats over the top lets just ruin CFB and pay them. Pay them millions...heck USC might start a trend if they get away with it. Its not over the top because I remember SC fans running their mouths about OSU...I'm not singling out Methomps but alot of his peers on SC boards were OVER THE TOP WHEN OSU WAS GETTING INVESTIGATED. I just wish they would spend 2 years there digging...I'm sure its MOUNTAIN OF GOODIES FOR THE NCAA there in SC.

I had a thought out response for this but it doesn't matter... I guess I don't understand the "you did it to us so now I'm going to do it to you" mentality... especially when one doesn't think it was right for other fans to slander OSU then they turn around and do the same thing.

 

[OCBucksFan]

MY goodness if thats over the top lets just ruin CFB and pay them. Pay them millions...heck USC might start a trend if they get away with it. Its not over the top because I remember SC fans running their mouths about OSU...I'm not singling out Methomps but alot of his peers on SC boards were OVER THE TOP WHEN OSU WAS GETTING INVESTIGATED. I just wish they would spend 2 years there digging...I'm sure its MOUNTAIN OF GOODIES FOR THE NCAA there in SC.

Yes, the media crucified tOSU during the Clarette era, I remember the "A program out of control" bullshit I had to read and hear all over the place. That doesn't mean that every program should have to got through that, treating USC the same way doesn't make it right that they treated Ohio State like that.

 

[lvbuckeye]

No go on the recruits, what about national championships? We can give you the 2001 NC.


Losing statistics and awards is arguably an adverse affect, in itself. Losing the Heisman would undoubtably be an adverse affect. It doesn't have to just be monetary.

1) the NCAA does not recognize or award National Championships, so no go there.
2) the NCAA does not award the Heisman Trophy, so no go there.
3) i'm not aware that Reggie ever set any NCAA records, so we don't have to worry about those getting stripped, so no go there...

keep trying, though...

 

[Dryden]

1) the NCAA does not recognize or award National Championships, so no go there.
2) the NCAA does not award the Heisman Trophy, so no go there.
3) i'm not aware that Reggie ever set any NCAA records, so we don't have to worry about those getting stripped, so no go there...

keep trying, though...

On the contrary, I do believe Reggie Bush holds the NCAA record for most knob polishing by ESPN mouthpieces for a three year college football career that nobody east of the Rocky Mountains ever even saw.

... or something like that.

Not that it matters, since Tim Tebow is on the verge of smashing that record.

 

[methomps]

does taking his stats of you the NCAA record book somehow cause his NFL salary to decrease? i didn't think so. it's the same as the Fab Five or the '98 Ohio State basketball team. sure they had to take down their Final Four banners, but everyone knows what they did on the court. it's not like the NCAA will force everyone to delete their clips of Reggie in the Fresno State game.

An adverse impact does not have to be monetary

you can't be serious.

What part of it do you disagree with? You can't overcome a presumption by simply asking "How?" Otherwise, what is the point of the presumption?

1) the NCAA does not recognize or award National Championships, so no go there.
2) the NCAA does not award the Heisman Trophy, so no go there.
3) i'm not aware that Reggie ever set any NCAA records, so we don't have to worry about those getting stripped, so no go there...

keep trying, though...

Ok, let's back up. The statute requires adverse impact. On that, we can all agree. The act says that you can presume an adverse impact if the player is disqualified or suffers financial harm. Now, that doesn't mean that the only possible adverse impact is disqualification or financial harm. A plaintiff can show adverse affect even without the help of the presumption. Now, would you say that being stripped of the Heisman is an adverse affect? I hope this question seems rather rhetorical.

 

[OCBucksFan]

Hypothetically, if all of USC's victories are taken by the NCAA how can the BCS award a championship?

 

[Ttown]

On the contrary, I do believe Reggie Bush holds the NCAA record for most knob polishing by ESPN mouthpieces for a three year college football career that nobody east of the Rocky Mountains ever even saw.

... or something like that.

Not that it matters, since Tim Tebow is on the verge of smashing that record.

Another record would be the most cadilacs used up by an underclassman.
Hard to believe that I missed the last 3 or pages because of being at work so I'm here to say that work sucks and it's all Bush's fault!

 

[Beenthere77]

Personally, I'm taking more satisfaction in USC's 6-4 record in their last 10 conference games than I would get from the results of any NCAA investigation.

When history is rewritten, you know the media will blame the record on the NCAA investigation.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Hypothetically, if all of USC's victories are taken by the NCAA how can the BCS award a championship?

Well your hypo really isn't applicable. The BCS already awarded a championship, so the NCAA's taking of victories does not have any effect on the awarding of that which has been rewarded.

Theoretically, a team with zero wins (ie each game a loss by forfeit) does not come out with enough points to qualify for the championship game... it's the same as going 0 - 12. But, USC wasn't 0 - 12 when they qualified for and won the BCS championship game.

I think you're mostly asking, is the BCS obligated to crown a new champion. I guess my answer would be... we all know who won on the field, as SC beat the snot out of OU. Should we give a crown to OU now, since they didn't really play anyone in the championship game? Of course not.

For the record, I'd be happy as can be to see SC go down in flames. But, while this Reggie Bush thing is a big deal, it's not a program killer. I'm not going to waste my time trying to turn it in to somehting it's not (And I should say, I"m not accusing you OCB, or anyone else of that).