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NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

Buckeyeskickbuttocks;980119; said:
I think you're mostly asking, is the BCS obligated to crown a new champion. I guess my answer would be... we all know who won on the field, as SC beat the snot out of OU. Should we give a crown to OU now, since they didn't really play anyone in the championship game? Of course not.


That's pretty much what I was wondering, I had about the same thought process in my head. Taking SC's wins out would be way too much work to do, and well that's been 5 years.

Thanks BKB.
 
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I don't watch or like the NFL. I used to watch every pro sport and one by one I stopped watching because the athletes or owners ruined the game. For god's sake I hope they don't ruin college football. I agree with grad that this stuff has been going on a while.

Dwyne Jarett got his. I guess Joe McKnight really didn't talk to Bush...He was temporarily out of his mind. I guess that intro to spanish all these SC athletes(not just football players) are taking fit the class description for intermediate spanish:!

Hopefully the piper is coming real soon.
 
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It is interesting, though. Even if the BCS took in under consideration, do they give it to OU or Auburn? In theory, OU won the game by forfeit (to be clear, USC can't be forced to go 0-for-2004 because the earliest I've seen allegations of payment is November 2004). But, in reality, Auburn would be more deserving. Truthfully, I don't think the BCS has any mechanism in place for stripping a team of a title. I think they would pass.
 
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OCBucksFan;980124; said:
That's pretty much what I was wondering, I had about the same thought process in my head. Taking SC's wins out would be way too much work to do, and well that's been 5 years.

Thanks BKB.

No Prob. I guess it's the same thing with the Heisman, or any records etc... Reggie Bush's parents cashing in on Reggies skills... whatever happened... does not change the fact that in 2004 SC was the best team in the land, and it doesn't change the fact that Reggie Bush was the best player in the land (although, I still would have given the Heisman to Vince, but that's a debate for a day long gone).

You can strike stuff from the books, but it doesn't change what happened. There's no banner in the Schott which shows OSU was at the Final Four under OB... I know damn well they were. Know what I mean?
 
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USC won the games on the field, thats what matters.
If half the team was on HGH, then taking away wins / titles might be legit, otherwise its completely pointless.
If guilty, take away some schollies, put them on probation, and maybe impose some fines (I dont think the NCAA ever does this, but we all know how much money talks in the world of big time college sports).
 
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Best Buckeye;980170; said:
C'mon I know you have a set of Braille hair colors. oops Magenta!
They're my Aunt Dotties ...

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Lots of ifs here, but in consideration of those who point out that USC did win certain games on the field, and therefore should retain honors, awards, or titles for such games, the thinking goes as follows:

First, we must assume that USC knew or should have known of Bush's indiscretions. With that rather large if out of the way, we are then left with a situation where other schools knew or should have known, or properly monitored, their own athletes' behaviors. For schools who did monitor and suspend/prevent such activity, they played shorthanded. USC, by in this hypothetical having not properly monitored their athletes, would then have had an unfair advantage. We could, finally, not know how the season should have ended up based on what was played on the field, as certain teams were handicapped and USC was not. So USC did receive, in this scenario, an "unfair" advantage.

What if Tressel, but nobody else, knew of Troy Smith's "issue," and then told nobody let him play and practice as a starter pre-2005? Would he have beat Texas? Been better for Penn State? Would OSU have won the MNC? Afterwards, would it be fair to say that it was a righteous win because it was played on the field?

To make the analogy more correct, what if nobody found out about Troy's booster $ until after the 2005 season, and OSU did win the MNC, and OSU did fail to monitor properly? We all saw what happened in reality, and what then would have happened had the monitoring been sufficient. . .

Just a hypothetical about USC, but it is certainly not so simple as to say that everything was decided on the field anyway. . .
 
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kinch;980196; said:
To make the analogy more correct, what if nobody found out about Troy's booster $ until after the 2005 season, and OSU did win the MNC, and OSU did fail to monitor properly? We all saw what happened in reality, and what then would have happened had the monitoring been sufficient. . .

Just a hypothetical about USC, but it is certainly not so simple as to say that everything was decided on the field anyway. . .

No relation.

Bush got paid in full, his family got paid in full. That in no way is what was remotely the case with Smith. In Smith's case he got what amounted to a pair new tennis shoes. In Bush's case we are talking about thousands for him, thousands for mom, thousands for mentors, etc. Troy got busted quick because of close monitoring. Bush wasn't monitored or if he was then they let him get away with it. In either case 1.)They didn't monitor Bush while he was in school which is a violation or 2.) They knew about it and kept it under wraps which is also a violation. In any case they should see if there is any precedence and proceed with the investigation and put in place sanctions.
 
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EastSide;980211; said:
No relation.

Bush got paid in full, his family got paid in full. That in no way is what was remotely the case with Smith. In Smith's case he got what amounted to a pair new tennis shoes. In Bush's case we are talking about thousands for him, thousands for mom, thousands for mentors, etc. Troy got busted quick because of close monitoring. Bush wasn't monitored or if he was then they let him get away with it. In either case 1.)They didn't monitor Bush while he was in school which is a violation or 2.) They knew about it and kept it under wraps which is also a violation. In any case they should see if there is any precedence and proceed with the investigation and put in place sanctions.

*Whoooooooooooooosssshhhhhh*
 
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