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NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

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stowfan;979620; said:
I'm not a lawyer so I have a question, is actual proof weaker than a court appointed "presumption"? If Lake can PROVE Bush was not at all impacted, Rather his life improved a thousand fold does the presumption supersede the proof? If Bush had been suspended, or his draft status hurt the presumption
makes it easy, the FACT is Bush and SC didn't miss a beat.

On the SC board they talked about one of the assistant coaches staying in a $500.00 a night hotel room paid for by Lake. If Lake can prove the SC coaches knew that a crime was going on and didn't stop it are they and USC also culpable? I somehow don't see SC coming through this unscathed.
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The "presumption" should be understood as rebuttable. It's like innocent until proven guilty. That is, of course, one is assumed to have NOT committed a crime until it is shown they did. So, no, actual proof is surely not weaker than a presumption. The presumption is just the starting point, if you will.

BuckeyeNation27;979685; said:
I'm not a law....talkin guy, but how does this discourage sports agents? It seems to me that it encourages it....since Bush won't get nailed because of the law. Maybe I'm not understanding it (very likely).
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Having laws which address agents discourages agents from engaging in the conduct - criminal penalties, for example. It will never STOP a thing from occurring - indeed, murder is illegal, yet people still do it.... but, it is indeed designed to make agents think twice before acting.
 
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BULLFUCKIN SHIT

If someone like Clarett's mom moved from Youngstown slums to Dublin Ohio and was living in a 750,000 dollar house the news would be to JT as fast a lightning bolt. F'in Caroll knew the whole time. The guys parents were living in L.A. in a decent part of town...how the hell does the head coach not know this. They were attending games and I'm sure that Caroll talked to his heisman candidate parents from time to time and knew they were living pretty good in LA. GMAFB with this USC didn't know shit. Clarett was driving several loaner cars and everybody knew it but Bush and his "economically challenged" parents move to a f'in 3/4 of a million dollar house and nobody knows...I wasn't born yesterday.
 
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brutus2002;979899; said:
BULLFUCKIN SHIT

If someone like Clarett's mom moved from Youngstown slums to Dublin Ohio and was living in a 750,000 dollar house the news would be to JT as fast a lightning bolt. F'in Caroll knew the whole time. The guys parents were living in L.A. in a decent part of town...how the hell does the head coach not know this. They were attending games and I'm sure that Caroll talked to his heisman candidate parents from time to time and knew they were living pretty good in LA. GMAFB with this USC didn't know shit. Clarett was driving several loaner cars and everybody knew it but Bush and his "economically challenged" parents move to a f'in 3/4 of a million dollar house and nobody knows...I wasn't born yesterday.
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Ever heard of a private loan? Admittedly, it's a dont ask dont tell policy, but there are plenty of legitimate ways for people to live beyond their means.
 
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brutus2002;979899; said:
BULLFUCKIN SHIT

If someone like Clarett's mom moved from Youngstown slums to Dublin Ohio and was living in a 750,000 dollar house the news would be to JT as fast a lightning bolt. F'in Caroll knew the whole time. The guys parents were living in L.A. in a decent part of town...how the hell does the head coach not know this. They were attending games and I'm sure that Caroll talked to his heisman candidate parents from time to time and knew they were living pretty good in LA. GMAFB with this USC didn't know shit. Clarett was driving several loaner cars and everybody knew it but Bush and his "economically challenged" parents move to a f'in 3/4 of a million dollar house and nobody knows...I wasn't born yesterday.
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Apparently the staff at USC was. :tongue2:
 
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matcar;979779; said:
No doubt. People claiming that USC should have known better about what Bush was driving are crazy. We didn't know what MoC was driving until other problems surfaced. It's hard to ask coaches to know about all these ancillary aspects of a student/athlete's life. It's one thing to know what the kid is doing in school, but another thing to know about this other stuff. While it certainly appears likely that Bush was on the take, I don't know how we can say for certain that USC is culpable in this....yet.
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Seems pretty simple to me. When the star running back from a poor family shows up at practice one day in his $500 customized NFL throwback jersey asking the equipment manager to let some air out of his helmet because the new 5 caret diamond studs in his ears are too big ... Well ... that should raise a red flag for someone.

Did you ever see Reggie on the sideline of a game? The bling he was wearing cost more than any car he could have been driving!
 
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Dryden;979905; said:
Seems pretty simple to me. When the star running back from a poor family shows up at practice one day in his $500 customized NFL throwback jersey asking the equipment manager to let some air out of his helmet because the new 5 caret diamond studs in his ears are too big ... Well ... that should raise a red flag for someone.

Did you ever see Reggie on the sideline of a game? The bling he was wearing cost more than any car he could have been driving!
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They were CZ, and if throwback jerseys were the threshold for suspicion, everybody would be on probation right now.

brutus2002;979899; said:
BULLFUCKIN SHIT

If someone like Clarett's mom moved from Youngstown slums to Dublin Ohio and was living in a 750,000 dollar house the news would be to JT as fast a lightning bolt. F'in Caroll knew the whole time. The guys parents were living in L.A. in a decent part of town...how the hell does the head coach not know this. They were attending games and I'm sure that Caroll talked to his heisman candidate parents from time to time and knew they were living pretty good in LA. GMAFB with this USC didn't know shit. Clarett was driving several loaner cars and everybody knew it but Bush and his "economically challenged" parents move to a f'in 3/4 of a million dollar house and nobody knows...I wasn't born yesterday.
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The house they moved into was in the same area of San Diego as their old place.
 
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methomps;979445; said:
I don't understand. You don't have to prove an adverse affect. The statute directs a court to presume that you are adversely affected.

As for 2007 versus 2005, you can sue for harm done to you years before.
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I guess then that neither of us understands. I understand if an athlete is suspended, while still at the university, that that is easy to see as being an "adverse affect". I still do not see how in 2007, saying that you were ineligible for a game in 2005, has that "adverse affect"? Probably because it does not have an adverse affect. If Bush is told tomorrow that he was ineligible for a game in 2005 there is no "adverse affect" towards him, or to put it another way, what would be the adverse affect for him today?

I assume that Bush did something wrong. What needs to be determined is how culpable USC is/was in this. Should they have known? Could they have known? If I were the NCAA, that is what I would be more interested in and that is what I would try to get answered.

On one level, I hope that USC can be determined to have as good control as can be expected and they did nothing wrong. If not, when OSU-USC play next year, we will have to hear the announcers make a 10 second comment about USC issues and then go on for 5 minutes about the OSU issues from the MoC saga :wink2:.
 
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Isn't this a violation?


Trojans head coach Pete Carroll, who took reporters' questions as an opportunity to praise his former running back's "impeccable work ethic," said he was unaware the running back was making so much money, adding that he assumed the Hummer limousine in which Bush arrived at practice every day was simply provided by his agent
 
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Ed Martin gave Chris Webber a "private loan" as well and Michigan got hammered. Nobody is giving anybody a private private loan for that much if they economically challenged. That only works if we are talking about Bush himself. His parents received benefits because of their son...Thats what the rules are against. Any student athlete or parent of a student athlete getting benefits from AGENTS, boosters, or anyone affiliated to the University that a "regular" student athlete could not get.

GMAB Methomps. You know as well as I do that in LA or San diego that you could drive 1/2 a mile or less and go from a great part of town into the ghetto...thats how cities are. Heck I was on Sant Monica Blvd one time and left the ritzy part and drove only a few blocks and there were prostutes and people shooting heroin...That shoots down the same part of town theory in cities that have a million people in their metro area.

If this guy testifies USC is gonna be in big shit and they deserve it. Maybe snoop dog can make a rap about how bad the NCAA is gonna screw them.
 
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"Reggie paid strict attention to those who entered and exited the dorm, making sure the guest policy was upheld and honored," said dorm supervisor Alex Valinsky. "Under his watch, nearly 17,000 guest violations were recorded."
"Easily a school record," Valinsky added. "Better even than O.J.'s work guarding faculty parking."
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"When I find the shoebox with all of my time sheets and pay stubs, I will be vindicated of any wrongdoing," Bush's statement concluded. "Unfortunately, most of these hundreds of boxes seem to contain new pairs of shoes, but they have to turn up sooner or later."
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:lol:
 
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