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NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

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BuckeyeNation27;1720310; said:
I'm assuming if they haven't actually enrolled in school and they're released of their LOI they would be allowed to go anywhere without sitting out a year.
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I'd like to see a kid request a release, just to see whether USC and Kiffin would decide to grant it and risk other kids also asking for it, or decide to refuse the request and accept the negative publicity that would result.
 
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HonuBuck;1719796; said:
I have no pity. He's an adult now. He had plenty of time to weight his options and make a balanced, informed, an objective decision. He knew there was a possibility of sanctions, and yet he still picked USC over all over schools, none of which were facing sanctions of any sort. He and his dad DJ Humpty Henderson got what they deserved...
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What he said...
 
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Buckfan09;1720511; said:
I find it hypocritical of the NCAA to investigate athletes for attaining gifts, while conferences and board members are so eager to profit off of amateur sport.
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Not being rude, but you are way off base with that statement.

Conference revenue is shared amongst the member universities (some distribution models are skewed, but that is beside the point). Sure, there are operating costs involved in keeping with the day to day and coordination of the member universities, as well as negotiating on the conference members' behalf when necessary. The money the conference brings in (minus the operating costs discussed) gets distributed to the member universities, not filling some person's wallet as to which your post alludes.

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It is a good thing that a conference (PAC10) is expanding to help try and garner maximum revenue for its member universities to share;

It is a bad thing for one member university (USC) of a conference (PAC10) to look the other way while an amateur player (Bush) is being paid (Cash, Property, etc.) to attend/play for said university strictly for the purpose to gain an unfair competitive edge to help win titles. (PAC10 Title, MNC).

See the difference now?
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1720560; said:
Not to pile on, but football revenue is also used to support 'non-revenue' sports, which makes it quite unlike board members making a profit.
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And for athletic departments that have money left over after that, contributions are usually made to the general fund of the university. That can lead to things such as:

  • Advancing the academic mission of the institution.
  • Reducing the sticker price for students who have to pay for their schooling (i.e. non-athletes).
  • Forestalling the need for additional state subsidy at public institutions.
But whatever - guys like Reggie Bush deserve a cut of that money. :roll2:
 
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jlb1705;1720610; said:
And for athletic departments that have money left over after that, contributions are usually made to the general fund of the university. That can lead to things such as:

  • Advancing the academic mission of the institution.
  • Reducing the sticker price for students who have to pay for their schooling (i.e. non-athletes).
  • Forestalling the need for additional state subsidy at public institutions.
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Agree, but...

But whatever - guys like Reggie Bush deserve a cut of that money. :roll2:
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Why should some student athletes - guys like Reggie Bush - be used to pay for the above or non-revenue sports? And while only getting the same benefit of the student athletes who cost the university (and state, sometimes) money?
 
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[quote='BusNative;172061;1]Why should some student athletes - guys like Reggie Bush - be used to pay for the above or non-revenue sports? And while only getting the same benefit of the student athletes who cost the university (and state, sometimes) money?[/quote]

Because they're all getting costly educations and a showcase for eventual fame and fortune as pro athletes, just for putting in the effort required to be big-time college athletes? That showcase is worth significantly more than it is generally given credit for: most non-revenue athletes put in the same time and effort to excel at their sport for the college education and nothing more, and somehow a guy getting the fast-track to the NFL is getting short shrift? I've always thought college sports are about the schools, not the individuals, and that's just another part of the valuable education these student-athletes are getting.
 
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BayBuck;1720612; said:
Because they're all getting costly educations and a showcase for eventual fame and fortune as pro athletes, just for putting in the effort required to be big-time college athletes? That showcase is worth significantly more than it is generally given credit for: most non-revenue athletes put in the same time and effort to excel at their sport for the college education and nothing more, and somehow a guy getting the fast-track to the NFL is getting short shrift? I've always thought college sports are about the schools, not the individuals, and that's just another part of the valuable education these student-athletes are getting.
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JMO, but from what I have heard from kids I coached who went to college on a scholarship it's a very tough racket. Many of their teammates were encouraged to take meaningless degrees -- say Kinetics -- to stay elgible and found themselves in need of two or more extra years of education even if they "graduated." One of my students, an academic All American, had the second highest score in an engineering math class at Purdue but received a failing grade because he was absent too many times due to meets, the professor refusing to accept the travel consideration request from the Purdue AD!
 
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Why should some student athletes - guys like Reggie Bush - be used to pay for the above or non-revenue sports? And while only getting the same benefit of the student athletes who cost the university (and state, sometimes) money?[/quote]

Because he's getting the additional benefit of auditioning for a lucrative NFL career. The athletes that receive more than they put back in don't get the same kind of opportunity.

To me it's no different than any number of assistantships or internships that non-athletes take advantage of as a part of college. The institution or employer benefits from free/cheap labor, and the individual gets to take part in a resume-building learning experience that can lead to a lifetime of earning power. As far as those type of experiences go, there are few more valuable than participating in major college athletics in a revenue sport.
 
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