NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

[BB73]

It's been years, but would that be 6.28 x 10 to the 23rd power??

I'm remembering 6.02 x 10 to the 23rd.

EDIT - looked it up - it's 6.022 x 10 to the 23rd (In high school we never used that last digit).

 

[Oh8ch]

I'm remembering 6.02 x 10 to the 23rd.

EDIT - looked it up - it's 6.022 x 10 to the 23rd (In high school we never used that last digit).

I thought Avogadro wore #32.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Any surprise there? Bottom line is that without tangible evidence of some agreement - a signed contract, impartial witnesses to such an agreement, recorded audio, etc - it's simply the word of a convicted felon against Reggie Bush and Pete Carrol, both golden children of SoCal. Similarly, the NCAA is toothless as well without either Bush or USC admitting wrong doing or some gross preponderance of evidence against them (which doesn't exist now, by all appearances). Once again, programs that self report and play by the rules get screwed, and teams that stonewall the system will get off scot free.

This whole debacle is going to really weaken the NCAA's enforcement ability. They're going to have to give some program the death sentence to put the fear of God back into schools, because once this shakes out nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to fear the NCAA.

I would think that Lake/New Era would have some type of financial records (corporate financial reports, cancelled checks, bank withdraws/deposit records, etc.) to prove that money changed hands. As W. Mark Felt (aka Deep Throat) told Bob Woodward: "Follow the Money".

I'm wondering (if large sums of money did change hands here) did Reggie and/or his family pay income taxes on it; and if not, is the IRS interested in the case. :tongue2:

 

[Steve19]

I thought Avogadro wore #32.

Yeah, now that you mention it, I'm trying to remember from back when I was in high school. Now I remember. Didn't he score three times against UCLA for the Trojans in 1972?

 

[sandgk]

I'm remembering 6.02 x 10 to the 23rd.

EDIT - looked it up - it's 6.022 x 10 to the 23rd (In high school we never used that last digit).

It used to be 6.023 * 10^23 - but then they revised the record books taking away a full season's worth of carries - hence the currently accepted value

I thought Avogadro wore #32.

Only because the NCAA wouldn't allow two players with the same number.

 

[billmac91]

I would think that Lake/New Era would have some type of financial records (corporate financial reports, cancelled checks, bank withdraws/deposit records, etc.) to prove that money changed hands. As W. Mark Felt (aka Deep Throat) told Bob Woodward: "Follow the Money".

I'm wondering (if large sums of money did change hands here) did Reggie and/or his family pay income taxes on it; and if not, is the IRS interested in the case. :tongue2:

yes, Lake has audio of Bush's father. They had a transcript on yahoo sports a couple of months ago. The article is linked in this thread. Bush's father comes out looking like a real ass-hole as he says he wants to make sure Reggie's mom doesn't know about the gifts/money.

Lake in the same conversation tells Reggie's dad it would look real fishy that he (Lake) has withdrawls of thousands of dollars the same day Reggie purchases a brand new vehicle.

All of that coversation took place as Lake felt like the Bush family may go another direction in regards to a sports agency and Lake needed to make sure he got them on tape so he'd have a case after lavishing the family in gifts. Who knows if he has anything else?

 

[buckeyes_rock]

yes, Lake has audio of Bush's father. They had a transcript on yahoo sports a couple of months ago. The article is linked in this thread. Bush's father comes out looking like a real ass-hole as he says he wants to make sure Reggie's mom doesn't know about the gifts/money.

Lake in the same conversation tells Reggie's dad it would look real fishy that he (Lake) has withdrawls of thousands of dollars the same day Reggie purchases a brand new vehicle.

All of that coversation took place as Lake felt like the Bush family may go another direction in regards to a sports agency and Lake needed to make sure he got them on tape so he'd have a case after lavishing the family in gifts. Who knows if he has anything else?

I can't help but wonder why this whole thing is taking so long, especially if they have things documented as I've read.

This whole thing has been very fishy from the word go.

 

[Steve19]

Sure, it's all fishy. The NCAA can't compel Bush to testify and no admissions of wrongdoing have been made. Bush has included confidentiality clauses in settlements with others. So, it comes down to this case.

Lake does not sound like the world's model citizen. So, this could just evaporate. It won't evaporate without some serious tarnish on Bush. What that means, I guess we'll all see.

 

[HINYG8]

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[OSUBasketballJunkie]

epsn.com

Report: Would-be agent says Bush not forthcoming

ESPN.com news services
Updated: May 30, 2008, 10:49 AM ET

The lawyers for Reggie Bush and a man who wanted to be Bush's agent -- and is now suing him for nearly $300,000 -- continue to squabble, this time over discovery questions in the lawsuit.

The San Diego Union-Tribune reported that attorneys for Lloyd Lake, who is suing Bush, said that Bush answered about nine of roughly 70 questions posed to him as part of the discovery process in the lawsuit. Bush's attorneys said the questions were objectionable, too vague or sought confidential information.

Continued.....

 

[buckeyesin07]

epsn.com

Kind of funny that all along Reggie was willing to shout his mouth off to the media that he had done nothing wrong, yet put him under oath and he suddenly doesn't want to talk. Ah well, nothing that a motion to compel won't fix.

 

[methomps]

Kind of funny that all along Reggie was willing to shout his mouth off to the media that he had done nothing wrong, yet put him under oath and he suddenly doesn't want to talk. Ah well, nothing that a motion to compel won't fix.

Lake has talked to the media a lot more than Reggie and Lake pled the 5th on most the questions submitted to him.

 

[osubartender23]

Lake has talked to the media a lot more than Reggie and Lake pled the 5th on most the questions submitted to him.

Lake plead the 5th for good reason though. Doesnt California have a law that states its illegal for an agent to give money or gifts to an amateur athlete? I know in the OJ Mayo case they are investigating Guillory for this. So i think pleading the 5th by Lake is not necessarily the move people are trying to make it out to be. He is trying to keep his ass out of jail. Whats Bush got to hide? There is no legal reason for him to keep quiet....

 

[methomps]

Lake plead the 5th for good reason though. Doesnt California have a law that states its illegal for an agent to give money or gifts to an amateur athlete? I know in the OJ Mayo case they are investigating Guillory for this. So i think pleading the 5th by Lake is not necessarily the move people are trying to make it out to be. He is trying to keep his ass out of jail. Whats Bush got to hide? There is no legal reason for him to keep quiet....

Lake is more concerned about the fact that an agent who gives money to an athlete in violation of California law has no right to recover the money.

And without knowing what questions were asked, we can't know whether they were relevant or not, vague or not, or required confidential information or not. What we do know is that both sides have been uncooperative with discovery. This is just more of the same from both sides.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Lake has talked to the media a lot more than Reggie and Lake pled the 5th on most the questions submitted to him.

Irrelevant to the issue of Reggie not answering, so I'm not sure why you quoted my post. Regardless, I'd love to see a motion to compel granted with respect to both sides. It's high time that the truth regarding this mess is revealed.