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NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

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Jaxbuck;956442; said:
Agreed. I want to hear some of the on air "talent" call for Petes job during a studio show because the program is so out of control.
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Won't happen, even if it comes out that PC was somehow aware of all of this. Pete Carroll has a very open policy, media and fans can come watch practices, he's out in the open, nothing is secret. In turn this does a lot to help the image of him and the program in the eyes of the media. Besides, at this point, all we can assume is that Bush was involved, and that USC knew nothing of the scenario.

I like PC, he's a really energetic guy, he's positive and overall a great college coach. That being said, I don't think it's fair to exclude his program because it has a great media image.
 
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Best Buckeye;956503; said:
I want to see the talking heads spend about a full quarter of a prime time football game tearing USC apart, then I will believe they are treating all stories as equal.
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There's a reason conferences have decided to move onto making their own cable channels. ESPN's need for "the scoop" hurts programs. And for the record, I don't want to see that happen to any other program, even scUM. Being crucified based on nothing but the word of a player who had left the school was horrible, even now people bring it up in conversation.
 
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The ESPiN attack on Ohio State remains one of the most disgusting examples of media ethics in our era. With full knowledge that the NCAA had investigated the allegations of Clarett twice, ESPiN pressed forward with an unprecedented smear campaign with nothing less than the objective of getting Jim Tressel fired.

The allegations of a "program out of control", slurs about the quality of its education programs, and innuendo never were withdrawn, even after these were proven to be without basis and the accusator imprisoned for a petty robbery in an alley.

There are at least two football programs that appear to have lots of off the field problems that are receiving no interest at all from any of the media. Say what you like, it sucks.

The unmitigated attack during our bowl game remains a low point in the history of sports journalism, even if ESPiN had long abandoned any pretense of journalism.

I will never forgive these guys for what they did to Ohio State and it sports adminstrators, coaches, and players, especially Andy Geiger.

Tonight, ESPN have Lou Holtz spitting on our TV screens, across the pathetic views of Mark May, a supposed legend who seems to know so little about football that he is signing a basketball on his wikipedia page (Mark May - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). The parody of Holtz pretending to motivate the players of leading teams, replete with rolled up sleeves and a loosened tie, belongs in the annals of TV comedy, not on a serious sports broadcast. He is a moron who knows nothing about football.

There was a day when I used to trust what I heard on television. I suppose I owe ESPiN a vote of thanks for helping me overcome the last vestiges of that illusion. Now, if I don't see it verified on BP, i don't believe it.

This thing with Reggie Bush needs to be investigated and he and the program need to pay for his professionalism. It is just a darn shame that it has taken so long that the players who will pay probably will never have met him.
 
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Great post Steve. I agree, what ESPiN did was absolutely disgusting, it wasn't fair to the students, players, fans, faculty, or the program. To me it was a big eye opener, it showed me that they are so obsessed with the story that they forget at the end of the day to make right where they did wrong. MoC's bullshit was one thing, that was a jaded student that somehow felt he needed to lash out at the school and Tressel.

One of my major issues is that the media has to have responsibity for the storys they releases, all too often they are let off the hook or the errors they make are overlooked and no one is more guilty of this than ESPiN. They play judge and jury depending on ratings, which doesn't prove fair at all.

The thing with Bush is, I don't want to see another university go through that. It was wrong to do it to tOSU, but that doesn't make it right to do it to USC. I would prefer they waited to make judgement instead of determining guilt before doing that to anyone else. It was wrong to do it to us, and it wouldn't make it right if they did it to someone else.

It may make others realize how screwed up that "News Organization" is, but that still doesn't make it fair or right by any stretch.
 
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ysubuck;956428; said:
Again I go back to:
Where is the outcry from the "worldwide leader in sports?"

Ohio State got dragged through the mud for the better part of two years based on the lies of a now convicted felon. The Buckeyes were on sportscenter, on the site, in the magazine.

I go to the site and...nothing. Nothing jumping out and telling the world that one of the most recognizable athletes in America today was a cheater in college. Nothing about the fact that USC never noticed that it's star was getting over $280,000. No talking heads calling for Mike Garrett to resign or Pete Carroll to be fired. Nothing but a sidebar on the college football page.

I'll never let this go...ever. It was the most blatant attempt to smear two good men (Andy Geiger and Coach Tressel) that I've ever seen. I still wonder if Ohio State couldn't have gone after espn legally. Particularly after the hatchet job they did on Ohio State during the Alamo Bowl.

Motherfuckers.
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Maybe ESPN has learned not to believe convicted felons.
 
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I think he's referring to the "marketing agent" Lake. Reggie Bush didn't do anything illegal. Although what he allegedly did is tantamount to murder in the eyes of the NCAA.

I'm fine with that. I really am. If espn has learned then great. I've also said that I wouldn't want another program going through what Ohio State went through.

It's just very frustrating to see teams and players commit transgressions (or be accused of transgressions) far worse than anything Ohio State was ever accused of (Penn State, Oklahoma, USC, Florida, Texas) and hear nary a word mentioned.

espn owes at least Andy Geiger an apology for beating him into submission.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;956858; said:
Coming from the same network that had its morning and afternoon SportsCenter anchors give a disclaimer about how E$PN had nothing to do with the exhumation of George Gipp and resulting story, I seriously doubt this is the case.
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They said they had nothing to do with it, but they said they were there to film it. That doesn't really add up for me.
 
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Man what a bunch of whiners on here. ESPN broke the story about tOSU so it thumped it's chest on it. They were wrong. OK, move on.

Yahoo broke the story on Reggie, so ESPN isn't thumping it's chest, but rather is reporting the facts as they are available (which, in case you haven't noticed, haven't been available AT ALL until 2 days ago when someone said he'd talk).

Eventually, if enough people talk and enough facts are presented, then Bush will ripped for his involvment. In the unlikely event that USC knew anything about it, they'll be punished, but I think most unbiased observers doubt that USC knew anything about it. But we'll see...and rather than take this tone of wanted to tear down USC, it would seem that Buckeye fans could learn a lesson from their own episode and wait for real facts. But that's not the college football way I guess...everybody just wants to rip every other team. Comical.
 
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Steve19;956615; said:
The ESPiN attack on Ohio State remains one of the most disgusting examples of media ethics in our era. With full knowledge that the NCAA had investigated the allegations of Clarett twice, ESPiN pressed forward with an unprecedented smear campaign with nothing less than the objective of getting Jim Tressel fired.

The allegations of a "program out of control", slurs about the quality of its education programs, and innuendo never were withdrawn, even after these were proven to be without basis and the accusator imprisoned for a petty robbery in an alley.

There are at least two football programs that appear to have lots of off the field problems that are receiving no interest at all from any of the media. Say what you like, it sucks.

The unmitigated attack during our bowl game remains a low point in the history of sports journalism, even if ESPiN had long abandoned any pretense of journalism.

I will never forgive these guys for what they did to Ohio State and it sports adminstrators, coaches, and players, especially Andy Geiger.

Tonight, ESPN have Lou Holtz spitting on our TV screens, across the pathetic views of Mark May, a supposed legend who seems to know so little about football that he is signing a basketball on his wikipedia page (Mark May - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). The parody of Holtz pretending to motivate the players of leading teams, replete with rolled up sleeves and a loosened tie, belongs in the annals of TV comedy, not on a serious sports broadcast. He is a moron who knows nothing about football.

There was a day when I used to trust what I heard on television. I suppose I owe ESPiN a vote of thanks for helping me overcome the last vestiges of that illusion. Now, if I don't see it verified on BP, i don't believe it.

This thing with Reggie Bush needs to be investigated and he and the program need to pay for his professionalism. It is just a darn shame that it has taken so long that the players who will pay probably will never have met him.
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Amen Steve.
 
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matcar;957034; said:
Man what a bunch of whiners on here. ESPN broke the story about tOSU so it thumped it's chest on it. They were wrong. OK, move on.

Yahoo broke the story on Reggie, so ESPN isn't thumping it's chest, but rather is reporting the facts as they are available (which, in case you haven't noticed, haven't been available AT ALL until 2 days ago when someone said he'd talk).

Eventually, if enough people talk and enough facts are presented, then Bush will ripped for his involvment. In the unlikely event that USC knew anything about it, they'll be punished, but I think most unbiased observers doubt that USC knew anything about it. But we'll see...and rather than take this tone of wanted to tear down USC, it would seem that Buckeye fans could learn a lesson from their own episode and wait for real facts. But that's not the college football way I guess...everybody just wants to rip every other team. Comical.
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First, Bush has not been convicted of anything illegal and is not alleged to have done anything illegal. He has, however, been alleged to have received a considerable amount of payments in violation of NCAA regulations.

I don't know who is whining, I certainly am not.

However, there has been plenty of evidence submitted in court documents alleging that Bush received payments that contravene NCAA regulations. His family did occupy a house owned by an agent and by all indications, did not pay for that.

If Bush were not guilty, then why has he refused to respond to allegaitons? More importantly, why has he settled those claims with confidentiality clauses forbidding disclosure to the NCAA. This one could still find the same resolution.

I am not a USC basher. It wouldn't matter who the team was, it is difficult to accept is that there is evidence of an NCAA violation but the apparent guilty party is frustrating the NCAA from investigating it by paying off the witnesses. As for USC, it doesn't matter if they knew. Compliance requires them to monitor such things and that is why there are compliance departments.

This is not about whining about ESPiN coverage, which went far beyond just milking a story they broke. I am not harboring any untoward resentment, but I also will not ever forget what they did.

If this matter with Bush is not going to be investigated, then the rules in this regard should be ignored by everyone. It's either/or.
 
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