NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

[Steve19]

I agree with everything you posted, and think almost everyone else will also.

I'm still interested in hearing how folks would compare the treatment of USC to other programs. I believe it will be more productive, on an ongoing basis, for this thread to compare USC to programs besides tOSU.

We are in agreement 73. I just wanted everyone to be sure that there is NO comparison between the way Ohio State was treated and it is not a homer statement to say so.

In respect of the treatment of USC as compared to the other programmes, I think it has not been that much different. However, the other teams did not win a national championship and the subject of the allegations did not win a Heisman trophy. So, in that context, I think the press has been very biased in its treatment of USC, in their favor.

 

[methomps]

While I agree it got coverage, and nobody will disagree that it didn't, if you compare it to the amount of coverage Ohio State got it seems minimal.

Wasn't that the whole point of saying that ESPN went too far with tOSU? It seems like you are saying "tOSU crossed an ethical line with tOSU and they should continue to cross it with every new case that comes up forever, just to be fair." ESPN hired an ombudsman after the tOSU saga.

 

[Bleed S & G]

However, the other teams did not win a national championship and the subject of the allegations did not win a Heisman trophy. So, in that context, I think the press has been very biased in its treatment of USC, in their favor.

agree 100%

 

[Saw31]

Wasn't that the whole point of saying that ESPN went too far with tOSU? It seems like you are saying "[strike]tOSU[/strike] ESPiN crossed an ethical line with tOSU and they should continue to cross it with every new case that comes up forever, just to be fair." ESPN hired an ombudsman after the tOSU saga.

I think I fixed it for you. ???

If that is what you meant to say I happen to agree. (If it isn't, well then you lost me. :p) I personally think the media is a lot more gun-shy when throwing around allegations after so much of tOSU stuff turned out to be false. ESPiN took some very large lumps with their journalistic credibility if they want to admit it or not. There was a realization by them that there isn't always some big conspiracy behind this kind of stuff, IMO. People can get themselves into trouble without any help from their respective University or athletic department...

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

I thought our methomps was Petey's #1 guy.

That's what he thinks....til Petey moves him to tight end...

 

[OSUBuckeye4Life]

Wasn't that the whole point of saying that ESPN went too far with tOSU? It seems like you are saying "tOSU crossed an ethical line with tOSU and they should continue to cross it with every new case that comes up forever, just to be fair." ESPN hired an ombudsman after the tOSU saga.

Not what I was getting at. What I took from your posts was you trying to compare OSU to USC by bringing up what happened to USC.....like it is comparative.

Before you respond, I dont happen to think USC got any "special treatment" or anything. I think they have gotten the proper amount of attention for something that really hasn't been proven to be anything. My only "problem", so to speak, was what looked to be a comparison between the two schools and the portrayal of them being even somewhat equal.

I also didn't read the entire thread or all your respones, so I apologize beforehand if you weren't trying to come off that way.

 

[Steve19]

Not what I was getting at. What I took from your posts was you trying to compare OSU to USC by bringing up what happened to USC.....like it is comparative.

Before you respond, I dont happen to think USC got any "special treatment" or anything. I think they have gotten the proper amount of attention for something that really hasn't been proven to be anything. My only "problem", so to speak, was what looked to be a comparison between the two schools and the portrayal of them being even somewhat equal.

I also didn't read the entire thread or all your respones, so I apologize beforehand if you weren't trying to come off that way.

Actually, I think that a lot of evidence has been presented that suggests that there is substance to many of these allegations. Even if one believes that an "innocent" Bush family settled this matter with the agent to make it go away, the fact that the matter is settled introduces enough to conclude that an NCAA investigation is necessary. There are many examples where much less evidence has been presented (e.g., Clarett's unsubstantiated allegations, the allegations about Bromar, etc.) and caused an investigation.

It is important to distinguish between the press having a duty to call for an NCAA investigation and the lynch mob mentality that Ohio State faced. Forgetting Ohio State, I think that Oklahoma and others should be feeling pretty aggrieved these days over their treatment and the treatment USC has received.

An investigation is in the interests of college football and USC. Given the seriousness of the allegations and the fact that this team won a national championship and the player involved a Heisman trophy, the press has a duty in this case to argue for a full NCAA investigation of the matter. They do not have the license to find USC, Bush, or his family guilty, but they have a duty to call for an investigation. Something like living free in a house and all of the press attention that has had is sufficient to cause an investigation, which would clear the name of USC and of college football, if they are innocent.

Quite frankly, if USC has nothing to hide, then USC and its fans should welcome an investigation.

 

[methomps]

Actually, I think that a lot of evidence has been presented that suggests that there is substance to many of these allegations. Even if one believes that an "innocent" Bush family settled this matter with the agent to make it go away, the fact that the matter is settled introduces enough to conclude that an NCAA investigation is necessary. There are many examples where much less evidence has been presented (e.g., Clarett's unsubstantiated allegations, the allegations about Bromar, etc.) and caused an investigation.

It is important to distinguish between the press having a duty to call for an NCAA investigation and the lynch mob mentality that Ohio State faced. Forgetting Ohio State, I think that Oklahoma and others should be feeling pretty aggrieved these days over their treatment and the treatment USC has received.

An investigation is in the interests of college football and USC. Given the seriousness of the allegations and the fact that this team won a national championship and the player involved a Heisman trophy, the press has a duty in this case to argue for a full NCAA investigation of the matter. They do not have the license to find USC, Bush, or his family guilty, but they have a duty to call for an investigation. Something like living free in a house and all of the press attention that has had is sufficient to cause an investigation, which would clear the name of USC and of college football, if they are innocent.

Quite frankly, if USC has nothing to hide, then USC and its fans should welcome an investigation.

An investigation has been going on for almost a year now.

Not what I was getting at. What I took from your posts was you trying to compare OSU to USC by bringing up what happened to USC.....like it is comparative.

Before you respond, I dont happen to think USC got any "special treatment" or anything. I think they have gotten the proper amount of attention for something that really hasn't been proven to be anything. My only "problem", so to speak, was what looked to be a comparison between the two schools and the portrayal of them being even somewhat equal.

I also didn't read the entire thread or all your respones, so I apologize beforehand if you weren't trying to come off that way.

I'm not trying to compare the two. A lot of Buckeyes are saying, "ESPN isn't as hard on USC as they were on tOSU. Therefore, USC is getting a pass from the media." That is what I dispute.

I think I fixed it for you. ???

If that is what you meant to say I happen to agree. (If it isn't, well then you lost me. :p) I personally think the media is a lot more gun-shy when throwing around allegations after so much of tOSU stuff turned out to be false. ESPiN took some very large lumps with their journalistic credibility if they want to admit it or not. There was a realization by them that there isn't always some big conspiracy behind this kind of stuff, IMO. People can get themselves into trouble without any help from their respective University or athletic department...

Yes, I meant ESPN crossed an ethical line.

 

[gbearbuck]

What's ESPN?

Oh, that's the tv station and website I used to visit before the MC days...

ESPN rubs tOSU's name into the ground with the MC issue, then drops NHL coverage, screw them... to this day I rarely watch them... as all know I'm into boycotting when I feel a company did "a wrong" and didn't correct the wrong.

I have no idea if ESPN is slamming USC as bad as they slammed tOSU... I'm sorry for USC if ESPN is, they create rumors, run with the rumors as though they are fact, and other media run with it because "ESPN said so"....

ESPN creates news... it doesn't report the news!! Screw ESPN and their biased bs!!

 

[sandgk]

Forget the ESPN talk everyone - the apropos comparison here is whether or not Yahoo Sports is trying to earn their spurs by building a web node, dedicated to the ongoing and never to be fully concluded editions of Entourage on the 'SC campus.

 

[ysubuck]

methomps,
USC is getting a pass from the media, but that pass may be a result of the war that they (espn) waged against Ohio State. I think that's the point that some here are trying to make. I don't think that pass is the result of some love fest between the media and Pete Carroll or USC (although I would argue that a love fest also exists).

 

[methomps]

methomps,
USC is getting a pass from the media, but that pass may be a result of the war that they (espn) waged against Ohio State. I think that's the point that some here are trying to make. I don't think that pass is the result of some love fest between the media and Pete Carroll or USC (although I would argue that a love fest also exists).

Sorry, I disagree.

 

[jwinslow]

This guy sums it up pretty well:

He seemed to gloss over this tidbit:

According to two sources, Michaels' settlement includes a confidentiality clause which will keep Michaels from talking with the NCAA.

Is there any recourse for the NCAA? Do they have any legal grounds to force them to talk? Or did Bush just potentially give Michaels hush money?

 

[MrsB]

He seemed to gloss over this tidbit:

According to two sources, Michaels' settlement includes a confidentiality clause which will keep Michaels from talking with the NCAA.

Is there any recourse for the NCAA? Do they have any legal grounds to force them to talk? Or did Bush just potentially give Michaels hush money?

If I were able to negotiate a monetary settlement with a millionaire nothing would give more leverage to get everything I wanted than hush money.
I would vbet that Michaels is a lot richer because of it.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

In terms of what did or didn't happen, the settlement is akin to taking the 5th. That is, while it may well look like "hush money" and while it very likely could be exactly that, we cannot draw that conclusions in any "It's a fact" sense. The 5th A. of course is the same.... by taking the 5th the assumption becomes "He's hiding something - a crime - that he's guilty of" when, legally speaking, we're not supposed to draw that conclusion.

Obviously, this is a court of public opinion, and none of that applies. If you ask me, I'd say the truth is somewhere in between... I should also say, "Confidentiality" clauses are pretty standard in settlements... While that's perhaps "Convenient" here, it isn't necessarily indicative of something more sinister.