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NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

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Well, if it proves to be true, and Bush has to vacate his Heisman, wouldn't USC have to vacate their NC? If OSU had to take down their final four banners, and expunge the record book, why wouldn't USC have the same penalty?

It appears that Bush took a heckofa lot more moola than our b-ball player did, and OSU got hammered pretty severely, so in the interest of fairness........except I don't anticipate a 'quid pro quo' from the NCAA.

I'll be watching this, and I'm quite certain that ESPiN will carry the whole sordid story :biggrin: complete with editorials and quotes about the 'evil empire'.

I wish I could put the flamer smilie here, but if it's the truth, then.......


:gobucks3: :gobucks4: :banger:
 
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StadiumDorm;799356; said:
They didn't win the national title that year, because of a guy named Vince. So it would depend on when the violations occurred.
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From the Yahoo article
"There was the representation that Reggie would come with his stepfather. Reggie ratified that." ? In an interview with Yahoo! Sports, Watkins describes a meeting that occurred in November of 2004 when Bush's stepfather, LaMar Griffin, approached Michaels and proposed a partnership in a new sports agency that would feature the USC star. Watkins alleges Bush agreed to go along with the venture.
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calibuck;799337; said:
Well, if it proves to be true, and Bush has to vacate his Heisman, wouldn't USC have to vacate their NC? If OSU had to take down their final four banners, and expunge the record book, why wouldn't USC have the same penalty?
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USC's last NC was in 2004. I don't think there's any evidence that Bush did something to make himself ineligible prior to the January, 2005 NC game.

Alleged improper activities may have begun in the Spring of 2005, which has the potential to make him ineligible for the 2005 season. That could cost him the Heisman, solely based on the judgment of the Heisman trustees (the Pac 10 and the NCAA have no direct say on that issue).

USC could lose their 2005 Pac-10 title, but as of today, I don't believe there are any accusations that would impact their 2004 BCS Championship.

edit - except for that supposed November, 2004 meeting Jwins pointed out. :biggrin:
 
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buckeyeboy;799297; said:
Yeah, here's the scam-I mean routine:

1) USC commits a violation.
2) News of the violation is leaked.
3) USC denies everything.
4) Eventually it all goes away.

Did I about get it right, methomps? :biggrin:
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I don't know. ESPN tells me we're angels compared to you guys. :biggrin:
 
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Relevant to this thread - Michael Michaels has reached a settlement with the Bush family.

Yahoo Sports

Settlement reached with Bush family
By Jason Cole and Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports
April 13, 2007
SAN DIEGO – Michael Michaels, one of the financiers of failed marketing agency New Era Sports & Entertainment, reached a settlement with Reggie Bush's family Thursday over unpaid rent and other benefits allegedly provided in an attempt to woo the former University of Southern California running back as a client.
The settlement, first reported on the San Diego Union Tribune Web site, was for between $200,000 and $300,000, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Bush's attorney, David Cornwell, could not be reached for comment. Michaels' attorney, Jordan Cohen, declined to comment other than to say that Michaels would not be pursuing a lawsuit against Bush.
The NCAA and Pacific-10 Conference are conducting on-going investigations into allegations by Michaels and former New Era partner Lloyd Lake that Bush and his family received cash and benefits from the agency while Bush, now with the New Orleans Saints, was playing at USC.
If the NCAA determines Bush and his family received the extra financial benefits, USC could be forced to forfeit games in which Bush played and his Heisman Trophy could be in jeopardy.




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scooter1369;811830; said:
So....

A settlement was reached to repay Michaels for money that was not given to the Bush family while Reggie was playing at USC. Is that what we are to get from that article?

Interesting.
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This guy sums it up pretty well:

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Re: More on Reggie Bush...
A settlement is certainly not an admission of guilt, though Bush may well have made the agreement as alleged. I can tell you that as a litigator who usually works on the defense side on behalf of corporate clients, I have often settled or seen others settle cases that were either meritless or not very strong. It's simple dollars and cents. Litigation is VERY expensive and VERY risky. Even when a case seems pretty weak legally, there is still risk. It is often cheaper and easier to just settle a case than to fight the good fight, which is why the vast bulk of cases are resolved through settlement.
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Look at the Duke lacrosse case. Legal fees for the families topped $3 million.
 
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scooter1369;811888; said:
Settlements are also reached when the accused knows they are guilty as hell and a settlement will save them millions.
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Ok, but my point was that the settlement does nothing for the NCAA. I've said for a while that I believe Bush took money. My position is that there is no credible evidence that SC played any role.

Millions?
 
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scooter1369;811893; said:
Endorsements deals. Long term contracts.

Once someone is a confirmed cheater, their marketibility goes down the crapper. You know that. Bonds, Palmeiro, Merriweather. Are these guys riding huge endorsement deals now?
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So you would call someone who takes money against NCAA rules a cheater?
 
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methomps;811895; said:
So you would call someone who takes money against NCAA rules a cheater?
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Someone who took hundreds of thousands? Maybe more? Sure.

Hell, $13,000 of free rent for an upscale off campus apartment would qualify in my book. Especially if you don't have to pay back every penny.

I know where your question is going.

When you take cash, you lose your amateur status. You regain it back by paying the money back. All of it. Not giving a percentage to charity. Not reaching a settlement in court for a fraction of what you were paid.

While Bush doesn't have a need to maintain his amateur status, the reputation hit on USC would damaging and the NCAA sharks would be circling, smelling blood in the water.

Tainted title. Tainted Heisman. Tainted program.

We've been there. It should be your turn. But the media just won't let it happen.
 
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scooter1369;811898; said:
Someone who took hundreds of thousands? Maybe more? Sure.

Hell, $13,000 of free rent for an upscale off campus apartment would qualify in my book. Especially if you don't have to pay back every penny.

I know where your question is going.
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Yup. Would $500?

When you take cash, you lose your amateur status. You regain it back by paying the money back. All of it. Not giving a percentage to charity. Not reaching a settlement in court for a fraction of what you were paid.
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Actually, you regain your eligibility however the governing body says so.

While Bush doesn't have a need to maintain his amateur status, the reputation hit on USC would damaging and the NCAA sharks would be circling, smelling blood in the water.

Tainted title. Tainted Heisman. Tainted program.

We've been there. It should be your turn. But the media just won't let it happen.
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With the media being uncooperative, aren't we fortunate that details of this case are somehow being beamed into this thread so that we can discuss them.

And of course, the media is preventing the NCAA from smelling blood in the water? You'll have to explain that one.
 
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