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NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

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methomps;811905; said:
Yup. Would $500?
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When paid back in full? no

methomps;811905; said:
Actually, you regain your eligibility however the governing body says so.
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Must be nice that standards are not equal. In your favor, obviously. Troy takes $500, its a two year story on the biggest sports netowrk in the world. Jarret takes about $13,000 and its a ten second blurb on the local news.

methomps;811905; said:
With the media being uncooperative, aren't we fortunate that details of this case are somehow being beamed into this thread so that we can discuss them.

And of course, the media is preventing the NCAA from smelling blood in the water? You'll have to explain that one.
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Let's compare the media outlets pursuing said cases.

ESPN: World's largest sports network with seemingly unlimited resources.

Yahoo: World's largest web based email provider.
 
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scooter1369;811916; said:
When paid back in full? no
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So if Bush were to pay back all the money he received, you would not consider him a cheater?

Must be nice that standards are not equal. In your favor, obviously. Troy takes $500, its a two year story on the biggest sports netowrk in the world. Jarret takes about $13,000 and its a ten second blurb on the local news.
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I think you only do disservice you your argument by presenting the facts so deceptively. So, just that one little isolated $500 incident led to a 2-year story, huh? And of course, there was nothing distinguishable in the manner Smith and Jarrett received money (in an envelope from a stranger versus rent paid by your roommate's father)?

Let's compare the media outlets pursuing said cases.

ESPN: World's largest sports network with seemingly unlimited resources.

Yahoo: World's largest web based email provider.
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Maybe.

September 2006 website visitors:
ESPN: 20.4 million
Yahoo!Sports: 17.5 million

Maybe not.
 
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methomps;811930; said:
September 2006 website visitors:
ESPN: 20.4 million
Yahoo!Sports: 17.5 million
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Speaking of deceptive arguments...

Alamo Bowl slanderfest - 4 million households.
Sportscenter - 18 million viewers a day.

How many dozens of sportscenters featured the OSU scandal?
 
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jwinslow;811938; said:
Speaking of deceptive arguments...

Alamo Bowl slanderfest - 4 million households.
Sportscenter - 18 million viewers a day.

How many dozens of sportscenters featured the OSU scandal?
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The Bush scandal made plenty of Sportscenters plus ESPN's coverage of the NFL draft.
 
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osu_edu;811986; said:
methomp, that was a pathetic attempt to play the role of a victim. wow....

:osu2:

osu.edu ROCKS!!!!
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Uh, noooo.... not even sure how that conclusion was reached, but I'm going to have to strongly disagree. Methomps is giving us the perspective of a USC fan striving to be objective, which is pretty near the same thing as an OSU fan striving to be objective.
 
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BuckeyeTillIDie;811989; said:
hell, I figured 10 scholarship RBs would be enough to make the NCAA curious about USC :lol:
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At least PC wasn't kidding around when he told them that they all are his #1 guy...

TB
Chauncey Washington OR
C.J. GABLE* OR
Hershel Dennis OR
Desmond Reed OR
Emmanuel Moody*
Allen Bradford*
Stafon Johnson*
Michael Coleman*
(Broderick Green) OR
(Joe McKnight) OR
(Marc Tyler)

SC post-spring depth chart
 
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So who are the new people involved?

NCAA says Bush investigation to continue
The former Trojan's settlement with a would-be agent could be trouble for probe into alleged improper benefits.
By Gary Klein and David Wharton, Times Staff Writers
April 14, 2007

'Dead subject'
'Dead subject'
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As Reggie Bush strolled across USC's campus this week, the 2005 Heisman Trophy winner casually dismissed an NCAA investigation into whether he received improper benefits from marketing agents while playing for the Trojans.

"Dead subject," he said. "That's what it is."

But Pacific 10 Conference and NCAA officials said Friday that they are continuing to pursue their nearly 1-year-old investigation despite a settlement that could keep some of the parties from cooperating.

"This has not gone away by any means," said Ron Barker, the Pac-10's associate commissioner of governance and enforcement.

The probe has moved forward recently, Barker said, because "new people" have spoken with investigators. He declined to identify the people interviewed.
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I think that if tOSU fans want to be objective in viewing how the NCAA and the media are dealing with the USC situation, we should compare the USC incidents and coverage to some that happened somewhere besides tOSU. We're going to have a difficult time being objective after what happened between 2003 and 2005. Although it appeared that ESPN had a vendetta against tOSU (and I personally will never forgive them for it), fans will always remember much more about how their own team's school was treated.

And I'm not trying to say tOSU was treated fairly; but I think that discussion has been beaten to death on these boards, and removes objectivity from how we view USC.

Has USC been treated in a similar fashion to the way Alabama was with the Albert Means situation? Alabama fans probably think that USC is getting favorable treatment, since they lived through every detail of that mess.

How about the Oklahoma situation with Rhett Bomar and the easy money for players from car dealerships? Most Sooners (still smarting from 55-19) will surely feel that they're getting a raw deal compared to the Trojans.

For a Buckeye fan, comparing USC to those situations is a chance to compare apples-to-apples, but whenever tOSU is involved, I'll admit that oranges are involved. It seems to me that Alabama, Oklahoma, and USC all were treated less harshly than the tOSU athletic program. So if I'm going to assess whether USC is being treated appropriately by the NCAA and the media, I think I'll want to compare what happens to the Oklahoma and Alabama situations.

I'll save that assessment for another time - this post is simply to raise the idea of using those comparisons in order to be more objective while discussing USC. I am interesed in opinions regarding those other comparisons.
 
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A settlement is not an admission of guilt.

In other news, my daughter lost a tooth today and the tooth fairy is going to leave her $5 tonight. Things being what they are today, we have had to sign a binding non-disclosure agreement concerning the identity of the tooth fairy and her operational methods.
 
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BB73;812165; said:
I think that if tOSU fans want to be objective in viewing how the NCAA and the media are dealing with the USC situation, we should compare the USC incidents and coverage to some that happened somewhere besides tOSU...I'll save that assessment for another time - this post is simply to raise the idea of using those comparisons in order to be more objective while discussing USC. I am interesed in opinions regarding those other comparisons.
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I think it is appropriate to discuss the treatment Ohio State received. In all of these cases, there has been an equal or much worse set of allegations raised against the programs involved. So, I guess, what has to be asked, did these universities receive the following treatment, as Ohio State did?
  • Almost daily allegations that the university has completely lost control of the program and repeated mention of allegations, even though the program has been cleared by an NCAA investigation.
  • Constant summaries of past allegations or summarized totals of the number of player arrests including minor charges such as traffic violations, even when NCAA investigations have cleared the university of the charges or the players were found not guilty.
  • Calls for suspensions of all athletic programs for two years in order to "sort out the mess".
  • Repeated personal attacks and innuendos against the football coach, even though he was not the subject of allegations and has been investigated and cleared by the NCAA anyway.
  • Calls for the resignation of the football coach, who was not involved in any of the alleged serious charges levelled by [the player, the media, etc] or most of the arrests (which occurred either before he came or in the first few months of his tenure).
  • Personal attacks on the athletic director, even though he was not personally the subject of any allegations.
  • Repeated allegations that the coaches involved were "possibly guilty" of other violations in earlier jobs during their careers, even when no charges were brought against them.
  • Constant jokes about the program being dirty (e.g., Will he win? That's about as likely as there being no recruiting violations at Ohio State!)
  • Repeated allegations that the program and university collude to allow athletes to break NCAA rules and receive an inferior education.
  • Strident calls for giving back the National Championship trophy.
  • Special discussions and vociferous attacks against the program, the university, the coaches, and the administrators every time that the team plays a televised game.
These would comprise just a few simple tests that could be applied to assess whether Ohio State was treated in the same way as the other programs you mention.

My assessment? Apples and oranges indeed and I think that the biased treatment stinks to high heavens.
 
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Steve19;812180; said:
My assessment? Apples and oranges indeed and I think that the biased treatment stinks to high heavens.
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I agree with everything you posted, and think almost everyone else will also.

I'm still interested in hearing how folks would compare the treatment of USC to other programs. I believe it will be more productive, on an ongoing basis, for this thread to compare USC to programs besides tOSU.
 
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