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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
How Indiana is handling this as opposed to how Ohio State handled O'Serbian.
Geiger gets wind of allegations that O'Brien is "loaning" Serb players/recruits money. Calls him into the office that day and asks him if it's true. O'Brien admits that he's made these loans. Geiger demands his resignation on the spot. O'Brien refuses. Geiger fires him on the spot (so fast I might add that it violated his contract); calls the NCAA to self-report violations. Not sure of the timing on how quickly the news was released nor of the time involved before our self-imposed penalties were announced.
So far, Indiana gets wind that Sampson has made prohibited phone calls. Self reports these violations to the NCAA. So far; so good...however...
They don't fire Sampson on the spot. They take his word (despite his already being on personal probation for these very same infractions) and fine him and throw an assistant coach under the bus. Time goes by. Sampson has a title contending team on the court. Indiana receives the NCAA preliminary report detailing 5 major violations. They don't fire Sampson and sit on the report for several days. Eventually, they release it on a day when they know that the sports news cycle will be obsessed with the Clemens fiasco. Sampson holds onto his job and coaches that evening.
This brings us up to this morning. Am I looking at this through Scarlet & Gray glasses or does there seem to be growing divergence between how the [[allegedly]] cleanest school in the conference is handling this and how the [[allegedly]] corrupt O$U handled their situation?
Geiger gets wind of allegations that O'Brien is "loaning" Serb players/recruits money. Calls him into the office that day and asks him if it's true. O'Brien admits that he's made these loans. Geiger demands his resignation on the spot. O'Brien refuses. Geiger fires him on the spot (so fast I might add that it violated his contract); calls the NCAA to self-report violations. Not sure of the timing on how quickly the news was released nor of the time involved before our self-imposed penalties were announced.
So far, Indiana gets wind that Sampson has made prohibited phone calls. Self reports these violations to the NCAA. So far; so good...however...
They don't fire Sampson on the spot. They take his word (despite his already being on personal probation for these very same infractions) and fine him and throw an assistant coach under the bus. Time goes by. Sampson has a title contending team on the court. Indiana receives the NCAA preliminary report detailing 5 major violations. They don't fire Sampson and sit on the report for several days. Eventually, they release it on a day when they know that the sports news cycle will be obsessed with the Clemens fiasco. Sampson holds onto his job and coaches that evening.
This brings us up to this morning. Am I looking at this through Scarlet & Gray glasses or does there seem to be growing divergence between how the [[allegedly]] cleanest school in the conference is handling this and how the [[allegedly]] corrupt O$U handled their situation?
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methomps
an imbecility, a stupidity without name
ORD_Buckeye;1092281; said:
I think trying to judge things based on the narrow perspective news reports offer is always problematic. After Neuheisel and O'Brien succeeding in wrongful termination suits, I think universities are much more careful now.
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methomps;1092285; said:
I think it's too soon to judge whether Indiana is trying to have it both ways. Apparently Indiana is currently reviewing the contract to determine their options, including suspension and firing before the NCAA ruling is final. This contract language has been reported in various articles:
courier-journal.com: News from Louisville, Kentucky
That "sole judgment" phrase may allow them to can Sampson before the NCAA ruling is complete, but obviously they want to make sure they don't end up with an O'Brien-type lawsuit.
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NastyDogg72
You can be with us, or lose to us.
methomps;1092285; said:
Exactly, I'm sure that IU has much more avenues built into Sampson's contract in which to drop the axe because of his past transgressions at OU. But over and above the recent victories by coaches in wrongful termination suits, WVU felt like they had a rock solid escape clause in RR's contract. How is that working out for them right now?
Universities have to be more careful, just a fact of the changed landscape in the big bussiness that is college athletics. There is too much money in the coaching ranks for a coach to just concede the money in his contract without a fight.
Better make sure this is true,
Before you make any decisions on the Coaches future.
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NastyDogg72
You can be with us, or lose to us.
FWIW, some insiders who post over at the Indiana Scout Forum say that Sampson is done tomorrow and it could even get moved up to tonight.
Scout.com: Indiana Forums List
Scout.com: Indiana Forums List
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Slightly off topic alert!
Does anyone else agree that the IU situation may have just saved Bruce Weber's job?
Does anyone else agree that the IU situation may have just saved Bruce Weber's job?
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
Haven't yet seen on this thread the link to Sampson's contract:
http://wthr.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/pdfs/coachcontract.pdf
http://wthr.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/pdfs/coachcontract.pdf
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BuckTwenty
Parties with Pete Johnson's Beard
What is starting to piss me off about this situation is that IU is singling out Sampson from the rest of the IU basketball team, saying that they should punish the coaches and not punish the players because the players are "innocent of any transgressions".
Isn't Sampson part of IU basektball? Are the players that Sampson was able to recruit illegally to play for Indiana part of IU basketball?
If either or both of those are yeses, then IU basketball deserves to be punished, not just IU coaches. The only "innocent victims" here are the players that are still with the team from the Mike Davis regime. I feel bad for them right now, because they are exactly where we were just a short couple of years ago when Matta and players that had nothing to do with Boban or the 1999 Final Four team were punished for something that they had nothing to do with.
Isn't Sampson part of IU basektball? Are the players that Sampson was able to recruit illegally to play for Indiana part of IU basketball?
If either or both of those are yeses, then IU basketball deserves to be punished, not just IU coaches. The only "innocent victims" here are the players that are still with the team from the Mike Davis regime. I feel bad for them right now, because they are exactly where we were just a short couple of years ago when Matta and players that had nothing to do with Boban or the 1999 Final Four team were punished for something that they had nothing to do with.
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I would really like us to give Pritchard a look if he wants to look around. We need another big body on the low post for next year, especially if KK leaves.
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heisman;1092420; said:
I know it's off topic, but I agree that Illinois may think "well we aren't very good now, but at least we stink legitimately"
I do feel bad for the Hoosier players, as I felt bad for Matta's players during tOSU's self imposed ban. The fact is that IU is culpible for hiring this scumbag, and if he broke more rules again, IU has to take resposibility or face possibly harsher sanctions.
Another black-eye for the conference
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