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NCAA Instant Replay Discussion

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The Alamo Bowl wasn't the only time this year that coaches had to call timeouts for the replay official to actually review an incorrect call. What it was was the most glaring case for why all conferences need to do it the same way. I just used the Alamo Bowl as one example. Coach Tressel has had to call timeout to get plays reviewed a few times in the last couple of years. A coaches challenge is a way for the coach to wait till the last second before making the challenge, in order to let the replay official do his job first, or a way to call bullshit on a bad call immediately and actually have some teeth when he tells the ref that it was a bad call, without having to waste a valuable timeout.
 
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Coach's challenge

One of the beauties of the college system has been that the coaches cannot challenge.

The big improvement in using replay was not getting the coaches involved, it was just in utilizing the technology. It used to be embarassing, on televised games, when an official blew a call, BADLY, and the tv announcers had to try to be polite about it.

to me, the replay is great not for the really tough calls (like Roethlisberger's TD in the Soooper Bowl) but for the obvious blown calls where justice needs to prevail. As we can see, even with review, tough calls are tough calls.

Bottom line: the college system works great, leave it alone.

Three teams we need to beat next year: scUM, Texas and PSU (Paterno State).

go Bucks!
 
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It would work great if it wasn't necessary to call timeouts to get the review taken care of. The review process that the Big Ten has in place now works, for the most part, but standardizing the way reviews are done across Division 1A and tweaking it to improve it is the way to go.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Shorten halftime from 20 to 15 minutes: Good for fans, not good for players/coaches.
Game clock starts when ball is kicked: Agree...makes sense.
Game clock starts when ball is ready for play on change of possession: Not really for or against it.
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clock starting when a ball is kicked, and especially clock starting on change of possessions can have DRASTIC effects on the ends of games or ends of halves. Teams that are trying to get the ball back would have to burn a timeout just to stop the clock after they've kicked off or punted. It basically gives the team that's ahead an extra down to run off clock time when they are trying to kill the clock. I'm sure we will love that rule when we're ahead, but it absolutely kills you when you are behind - I know from experience.

I agree with reducing TV timeouts, but that is not an option in this day and age.

I thought the way the B10 ahs handled replays has been fine so far - this new rule of giving the coach a challenge would work against the NCAA's apparent goal of shortening game times.
 
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IronBuckI said:
It would work great if it wasn't necessary to call timeouts to get the review taken care of.
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exactly. Coaches need to be able to challenge calls.. standardizing(sp) the replay will help alot though but i still feel the NFL has the system as close to fool-proof as possible.. yea i can see the pro's of the BIG10's current replay system but i still feel that Tressel should have two red flags in his pockets and he should determine what to challenge and when to challeneg it as opposed to LLLLLLLLLLyod calling timeouts and not getting a review during the ND game(a very very close call too..should of been reviewed)... also XC if you want to sit in the shoe for 9 hours cool... but i dont want to sit on my couch for 9 hours when its an away game... the commercial breaks are getting to the point where its ridic... a suggestion would be make it one 60 second and two 30 second commercials per break and charge more per commerical. shit you could make one 60 minute commerical and sell it for more if they know they are the only company advertising at that break and that only 20 ads will air as opposed to 2,875 ads per game.
 
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barlow1802 said:
exactly. Coaches need to be able to challenge calls.. standardizing(sp) the replay will help alot though but i still feel the NFL has the system as close to fool-proof as possible.. yea i can see the pro's of the BIG10's current replay system but i still feel that Tressel should have two red flags in his pockets and he should determine what to challenge and when to challeneg it as opposed to LLLLLLLLLLyod calling timeouts and not getting a review during the ND game(a very very close call too..should of been reviewed)... also XC if you want to sit in the shoe for 9 hours cool... but i dont want to sit on my couch for 9 hours when its an away game... the commercial breaks are getting to the point where its ridic... a suggestion would be make it one 60 second and two 30 second commercials per break and charge more per commerical. shit you could make one 60 minute commerical and sell it for more if they know they are the only company advertising at that break and that only 20 ads will air as opposed to 2,875 ads per game.
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You must be fan of Kerouac.
 
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I hope this is mandatory across the board. Any sort of replay is a good thing. I wouldn't care if a replay would cost my team a victory, at least the right call was made after a wrong one ( well, most times ). Its also a nice deterrant out there for teams that frequently like to employ a few dirty tactics to get an edge :ohwell:
 
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DDN

Big errors trigger debate of instant replay

New system could be tweaked; some say despite few mistakes, replay is helping get calls right.


By the Associated Press

Friday, September 29, 2006

OKLAHOMA CITY ? For a system designed to reduce the number of officiating errors in college football, it seems that instant replay is just creating more controversy.
First, an acknowledged blown call by both on-field and replay officials from the Pacific-10 Conference cost Oklahoma an all-but-certain win at Oregon on Sept. 16.
A week later, a correct on-the-field call was overturned by a Conference USA replay official, allowing Houston to score a tide-turning touchdown right before halftime in a win over Oklahoma State.
Last year, a play that was not reviewable under the current guidelines likely cost Louisville a win over West Virginia and a berth in a Bowl Championship Series game.
These instances and others during the last two years, when replay was used by most NCAA Division I conferences, have led many to question whether the system is worth keeping.
"We are making the game better. We have corrected a lot of flaws and mistakes," said Dave Parry, the Big Ten's coordinator of officials and the Collegiate Commissioners Association's national coordinator for football. "But to create a system out there that would make the game totally mistake-free is an impossible challenge."
Last season, in 580 games that used replay, there were 640 stoppages (1.1 per game) and 193 plays overturned (30 percent of the reviews), according to the Big East's Web site. This season, in 187 games, there have been 246 stoppages (1.3 per game) and 68 reversals (28 percent of the reviews), NCAA spokesman Erik Christianson said.
None of those, however, are judgment calls ? such as pass interference, illegal formations, holding and other penalties ? which cannot be reviewed. Plays governed by boundaries, including the goal line, can be reviewed, as can most passing plays and some other detectable infractions, such as touching of a kick and the number of players on the field.
Another issue is who's in charge of reviewing the replays. University of Oklahoma president David Boren has suggested that for interconference games, officials from neutral conferences be used, as they are in bowl games. Another idea is to have the NCAA take over the responsibility of assigning officials from the conferences, although Christianson, the NCAA spokesman, said that could also present issues.
Parry said that the NCAA rules committee could revise the system to allow review of such things as possession on an onside kick or some judgment calls, but even Big 12 Commissioner Kevin Weiberg ? who's had two teams from his league victimized by the system in as many weeks ? believes the latter could set a dangerous precedent.
"You have to be careful of substituting the judgment of the replay official for the judgment of the on-the-field officials," he said.
And a surprising vote for patience comes from Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops.
"I've said it all along," he said. "This is only their second year in it. You would hope the more we do it, the better we'll get at it."
 
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Only one in six college football replays overruled


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If college football coaches were judged on their success rate for getting officials' calls overturned, many might be looking for another line of work.
Coaches have largely been striking out in their attempts to get calls changed via instant-replay coaches' challenges during the opening seven weeks of the 2006 season ? the first year the challenge has been used.
A survey of the six major conferences reveals 71 calls have been challenged with only 12 overturned, about one in six. Coaches from the Pacific-10 have had the best degree of success, but have used it just four times, with two changed. Big 12 coaches are 0-for-18. Others: Big East, 2-for-13; ACC, 3-for-13; Southeastern, 2-for-14; Big Ten, 3-for-9.
The coach's challenge in college is different from the NFL. All college plays are reviewed by replay officials in the press box. They can overturn a call made on the field if they see compelling evidence to do so. Also, a college coach can use a challenge once a game in an effort to get replay officials to overturn a call. If the challenge is turned down, the team loses a timeout. In the NFL, a coach's challenge is the only means by which a play is reviewed.
Because plays in college games are under constant review in the press box, college coaches appear to see less need to use the challenge.
"Those timeouts are sacred," said Jim Tressel, coach of No. 1 Ohio State. "Plus, if you've used it once, and then there's something at the end of the game where you'd really like to use it, (you can't). ... I have a lot of confidence in people up in the booth, and they review every play as it's going on. I think it would be an unusual situation to have the replay booth not review something that we, with our human eye, could see."
And human eyes are often all the coaches have to go on because there are no television monitors on the sideline or in the coaches' booths.
 
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methomps;657784; said:
Yahoo story on instant replay gaffes. Most comical, imo, is that the replay system used for the Rose Bowl cost about $2,000, whereas replay systems used in other bowl games cost $20,000.
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I was surprised when I heard the cost of the system the Big Ten now uses.......$20,000

Then I saw the cost of the system that the NFL uses.........$125,000 :yow1:
 
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methomps;657784; said:
Yahoo story on instant replay gaffes. Most comical, imo, is that the replay system used for the Rose Bowl cost about $2,000, whereas replay systems used in other bowl games cost $20,000.
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Fascinating read methomps. Wonder if the Trojan clan feels more than the slightest bit redeemed (and cheated) by this report?
 
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More instant replay crap yesterday. On both Jenkins "INT" and Breaston's "TD", the dumbass official said "there is indisputable replay evidence..."

When in fact there wasn't. Maybe Jenkins INT should have been reversed, but there was NO way you could tell if Breaston was in or not, and the call on the field should have stood.

It's really infuriating when they don't stick to their own rules. This kind of crap has been going on in the NFL as well. IN the beginning, they only overturned the obvious stuff. Now, they overturn everything even when the replay doesn't show it.
 
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