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Sweet Crude
Chief,
I think every real fan uses hyperbole to make their point. An example of this is "Notre Dame Sucks!" or "We would blast ND!" or "The Domers haven't played anyone". Most of these statements are ignorant at best, and shouldn't be dignified with a response. Since it makes no difference to most of us (as Buckeye fans), we just let it pass without saying anything. When you argue hyperbole with hyperbole, however, we will pick through it with a fine-toothed comb, and it quickly turns into a NDChief beat-down party.
All this being said, I think you've figured things out. You'll find that by being objective like this, you'll get objective opinions in return. Since you've taken off your Golden Dome colored glasses, the least I can do is take my anti-domer shades off as well.
Since both teams are BCS bowl eligible, the ranking doesn't really matter to me. If they play each other in the Fiesta bowl, it will take care of itself. If people spent as much time doing medical research as they do breaking down the difference between one ranking in these polls, cancer would be cured by now. The only team that can ever complain about this, is the one that is undefeated and gets shut out of a championship game. ANY team that has lost a game, also forfeits their license to whine because they didn't take care of their own business. Such is the case for both the Buckeyes and Irish.
No doubt that ND is back. I think the entire college football world is a little scared about it. Again, I don't know if they're a top 10 team either. It's hard to figure because Weis has the team playing better than their talent. Either way, ND is light years ahead of what any fan could reasonably have expected. You have a right to be proud and excited about the future.
I agree that ND's schedule is down (through no fault of their own). The Irish make a good-faith effort to consistently play the best. This year, their biggest win is a loss to USC. That hurts their reputability among a lot of people (myself included). The problem is that ND doesn't have that "WOW" win that many of the other top teams do. Michigan would have done it for you had they not been so weak early in the season. Tennessee could have been impressive if not for their fall from grace. To me, the thing that seperates Ohio State and Notre Dame isn't our wins. It is our losses. If your second loss was to Penn State instead of Michigan State, things would be a lot more even. All this isn't to say that ND is a worse team...just that they are more of an unknown quantity because of the lask of consistent testing.
Oregon is a worst case scenerio for Notre Dame. They need to face a big-time program like Ohio State, Penn State or Virginia Tech to prove that they can play with AND BEAT anyone when they are still in rebuilding mode. I think they can, but am not 100% convinced that they will. They've got to play their best game.
Things will keep getting better in South bend...and McKnight, while potentially fantastic, isn't your best receiver. Samardzija is your best receiever, McKnight is a potential gamebreaker but not as polished and proven as Jeff. It's a Holmes vs Ginn argument.
Perfectly said.
I think every real fan uses hyperbole to make their point. An example of this is "Notre Dame Sucks!" or "We would blast ND!" or "The Domers haven't played anyone". Most of these statements are ignorant at best, and shouldn't be dignified with a response. Since it makes no difference to most of us (as Buckeye fans), we just let it pass without saying anything. When you argue hyperbole with hyperbole, however, we will pick through it with a fine-toothed comb, and it quickly turns into a NDChief beat-down party.
All this being said, I think you've figured things out. You'll find that by being objective like this, you'll get objective opinions in return. Since you've taken off your Golden Dome colored glasses, the least I can do is take my anti-domer shades off as well.
Since both teams are BCS bowl eligible, the ranking doesn't really matter to me. If they play each other in the Fiesta bowl, it will take care of itself. If people spent as much time doing medical research as they do breaking down the difference between one ranking in these polls, cancer would be cured by now. The only team that can ever complain about this, is the one that is undefeated and gets shut out of a championship game. ANY team that has lost a game, also forfeits their license to whine because they didn't take care of their own business. Such is the case for both the Buckeyes and Irish.
No doubt that ND is back. I think the entire college football world is a little scared about it. Again, I don't know if they're a top 10 team either. It's hard to figure because Weis has the team playing better than their talent. Either way, ND is light years ahead of what any fan could reasonably have expected. You have a right to be proud and excited about the future.
I agree that ND's schedule is down (through no fault of their own). The Irish make a good-faith effort to consistently play the best. This year, their biggest win is a loss to USC. That hurts their reputability among a lot of people (myself included). The problem is that ND doesn't have that "WOW" win that many of the other top teams do. Michigan would have done it for you had they not been so weak early in the season. Tennessee could have been impressive if not for their fall from grace. To me, the thing that seperates Ohio State and Notre Dame isn't our wins. It is our losses. If your second loss was to Penn State instead of Michigan State, things would be a lot more even. All this isn't to say that ND is a worse team...just that they are more of an unknown quantity because of the lask of consistent testing.
Oregon is a worst case scenerio for Notre Dame. They need to face a big-time program like Ohio State, Penn State or Virginia Tech to prove that they can play with AND BEAT anyone when they are still in rebuilding mode. I think they can, but am not 100% convinced that they will. They've got to play their best game.
Things will keep getting better in South bend...and McKnight, while potentially fantastic, isn't your best receiver. Samardzija is your best receiever, McKnight is a potential gamebreaker but not as polished and proven as Jeff. It's a Holmes vs Ginn argument.
Perfectly said.
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